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Old 05-11-2016, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The US really won the war. UK just survived the Britain bombings and helped. The US had the footwork for the most part. Russia and Britain helped especially diplomatically but on the battlefield, it was pretty much the US.
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Old 05-11-2016, 10:38 AM
 
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All America had to do was to bomb all tank, plane, and ship factories and naval bases in Germany prior to 1939 to end it all... but, heck, war is money.
Oh, that's all? Just a strategic bombing campaign of a type that wasn't invented in 1939 and worked surprisingly poorly even 5 years later? With what planes, based where?

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Also, if anyone believes Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack is a fool. 320 war planes flying across the ocean without being spotted... what a joke!
You may want to read up on the realities of naval warfare in 1941. The ocean is a big place.
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Old 05-11-2016, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Canada
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You and everyone else forgets, our military was split with the army in Europe and the Marines in the pacific with little help from our allies.
I think the issue is the fairy tale that Americans single-handedly were responsible for the defeat of Nazi Germany. It's so disrespectful to the millions of people from other countries who died fighting: http://warchronicle.com/numbers/WWII/deaths.htm
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Old 05-11-2016, 10:38 AM
 
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Forgetting that it was their perverted partnership with Germany to take over Europe
Which is irrelevant, as Germany had already established itself as the aggressor by annexing Austria and invading Czechoslovakia at that point.

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, and, when that failed, bringing in the allied forces (including the US, at the cost of nearly a half a million lives) I suppose you have a point...
The Soviets did not "bring in the allied forces." The UK and France declared war on Germany in 1939 because they were allied with Poland. Germany did not invade the Soviet Union for another 2 years.

And there were not "half a million US lives" lost in the European theater, there were about 200,000. Compared to the Soviets who lost about 20 million.
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Old 05-11-2016, 10:39 AM
 
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You and everyone else forgets, our military was split with the army in Europe and the Marines in the pacific with little help from our allies.
I did not "forget" anything. The thread is about Hitler, who was the leader of Germany, who was fighting in the European theater.
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Old 05-11-2016, 10:42 AM
 
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Clearly the Soviets made huge sacrifices but if for example you are sending infantry across a field as land mine detection devices your casualties are going to mount. The Soviets were not prepared for the Germans, without the material help from the West at the early part of the war they probably would have folded. The bombing campaign in the later part of the war also played a critical role in disrupting German supplies, the economy and occupying the Luftwaffe. Last but not least the mere threat of an invasion from the west kept many German troops occupied that could of been sent to the Russian front.

Had the Russians folded the West would have prevailed, the simple fact is once the development of the bomb was complete it was game over. Granted the war would have dragged on for who knows how many more years but in the end they would have lost.
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Old 05-11-2016, 10:42 AM
 
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Russia and Britain helped especially diplomatically but on the battlefield, it was pretty much the US.
Say what?
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Old 05-11-2016, 10:44 AM
 
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The US really won the war. UK just survived the Britain bombings and helped. The US had the footwork for the most part. Russia and Britain helped especially diplomatically but on the battlefield, it was pretty much the US.
I can't even fathom the thinking behind this statement.
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Old 05-11-2016, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I think that it's Russians that underestimate the impact of it's allies. Discussions I've had with the few Russians I've met and who were raised during the Soviet era, has revealed a very dismissive attitude towards the western allies. There was also a greater level of ignorance about the war in the west, than I think most people of my age here had about the war in the east.
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Old 05-11-2016, 10:47 AM
 
Location: KCMO
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Pardon sire, but...
...at the end of WWI Germany signed agreements not to re-arm or built weapons factories.
Guess which nation allowed it to do both in the 1930's? America!
Why? Because, war profits is good, and America sent Germany raw materials such as steel, iron, rubber, etc. to re-start the war machine.
America was in a depression, and the Rothschields needed to loan money, and sell death goods, etc.

All America had to do was to bomb all tank, plane, and ship factories and naval bases in Germany prior to 1939 to end it all... but, heck, war is money.

Also, if anyone believes Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack is a fool. 320 war planes flying across the ocean without being spotted... what a joke!
So ignorant. The US favored a more lenient policy towards Germany following WW1. It was in part the harsh measures the other allies imposed on Germany after WW1 that led to WW2!

And how was the US supposed to "bomb German tank factories" in 1939? You do realize the Germans had this little thing called an Air force?
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