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Old 05-26-2016, 09:46 AM
 
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_"All You Americans Are Fired"_

"When Nicole Burt applied for work as a stable attendant in Kentucky, she was sure her experience and skills were unimpeachable. As a teenager in Vermont she showed, trained, and groomed horses, and no sooner did she graduate high school than she moved to the Bluegrass State in order to be in what she dubbed “the horse capital of the world.”

"In early 2011, she applied to a dozen or so stables, she said, but none called her back. One of them was Three Chimneys Farm, a stately home for legendary thoroughbreds including the 1977 Triple Crown winner, Seattle Slew.

"Three Chimneys, based in the town of Versailles, had told federal authorities it was “facing a distinct labor crisis and cannot locate or retain American workers” and that “all U.S. workers who express an interest in the employment opportunity will be interviewed for employment.” But when Burt called to check on her application, she was told no jobs were available.

"“Basically we never hire US workers who are applying,” the farm’s director of human resources, LaTerri Williams, told the Department of Labor in a signed statement. “I don’t conduct interviews or take their applications. Basically I just tell them we have no openings.”"

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicagarr...cans-are-fired
Quite possibly, because they've learned their lesson. Over and over I hear kids talk about "work life balance" and how "money isn't everything". If you've got a tough, physical job to do, would you want it filled by a delicate little flower that wants time to find herself?

It's quite possible that there WERE no openings for her entry level, anyone-can-do-the-job position.
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Old 05-26-2016, 09:55 AM
 
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Quite possibly, because they've learned their lesson. Over and over I hear kids talk about "work life balance" and how "money isn't everything". If you've got a tough, physical job to do, would you want it filled by a delicate little flower that wants time to find herself?

It's quite possible that there WERE no openings for her entry level, anyone-can-do-the-job position.
Seems to me it was the young ones back in the 60s that really brought forth the "counter culture" way of looking at "working for the man," right? Not sure how new or different that question may be for youth today as compared to before, asking whether there isn't a better way to live.

Regardless the generation, some actually do find work that suits their passion. Not everyone can be that lucky, not the great majority of us I think, but can't blame youth for pondering those options while they can, before the fuel of dreams is extinguished by the realities of getting older and moving on in life...
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Old 05-26-2016, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Transition Island
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[quote=Three Wolves In Snow;44190219]The answer lies within all of the following responses:


And this is also a big part of the problem. You want to blame someone. You want "someone to do something". What are you doing aside from posting multiple times that someone is to blame and something needs to be done? What are you doing to fix anything? Are you spreading information? Are you mentoring anyone? Are you tutoring? Are you giving guidance to people? Are you making proposals? Are you doing a study to see what could work and what doesn't work? Are you educating YOURSELF about what could be done instead of demanding that someone else fixes everything? Are you looking for as much information as you can, with NO BIAS, or as little bias as you can, to see why something has been done, hasn't been done, could be done, could not be done? And once you have done that, are you building on that? Are you coming up with ideas? Do you have ideas? What have you done with those ideas? B*tch at a house party where everyone complains about the same damn crap: the evil rich, the horrible racist, hateful, xenophobic "rethugs", the reason it's called "HIS story", "socialism", "college should be free", "housing should be free", "basic income", "basic necessities should be free", blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and not once ever gain an understanding of why some of the very policies that have been voted on by people you may have voted for, or your little pals at that stupid house party voted for have caused much of the problem you see before you now?

Or will you choose not to answer my questions, either?


I am not going to address everything you have asked here on a social site, but I will respond to misinformation you seem to have based on my quotes/statements. I have served and I will continue to do so. In these positions both paid and unpaid the answer to your questions is an Astounding-YES, YES, YES!! I would like to know what you have done to serve those who are less fortunate?

-Career started in Corporate: Seven Years: Marketing Supervisor

GOD CALLED ME:

-Head Start Family Advocate & Team Leader: Seven Years

-Head Start Director: One Year (Seven Classrooms)

-Easter Seals Workforce Development Coordinator for Welfare to Work Challenging Families & Youth Ex-Offenders: Six Years

-Franklin County Family Success Research Director: Two Years

-Boys and Girls Club Youth Development Specialist: Two Years

-GEARUP Student & Parent Coordinator: Seven Years (Served cohort 5-12th grade) in Eight schools

*Created Community College Mentoring Program: High School Students, resulted in a college trip to

Washington D.C. and Maryland. Hired mentors who had graduated from College to Mentor my High School Males & Females

*Created a program for Career Exploration and Scholarship Search at several high schools

-Maya Angelou GED Youth Success Coordinator: Two Years

-Currently: HBCU: Career & Retention Specialist, Grant Writer, Early Alert Coordinator, Adjunct Professor

-Volunteer: Youth Group Homes, Domestic Violence Centers, Foster Care Homes

-Research Interests: Many, primarily African American Males

*Journal Article on Parenting: One with professors from MU in Ohio

Current Community Service Pursuit: Assisting the community with a grant to offer afterschool, overnight, and weekend programming for youth!
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Old 05-26-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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I would like to know that too.
Sure, I'll oblige.

A) Lowering taxes, while raising government spending on wars and bailouts, leaving us with large public debt.

B) Offshoring jobs to lower-cost regions

C) Encouraging illegal immigrants and foreign visas that enable lower-paid foreigners to undermine U.S. wage levels.

D) Rigging the U.S. tax, monetary, and finance systems to drive up the cost of rent and housing (which they tend to own)

E) "Reforming" the healthcare system so younger peoples' insurance premiums subsidize boomers' premiums.

F) Shifting higher ed costs to the younger generations, by replacing state funding for universities with student loans.


The end result is that today's 20 and 30-something generation has higher costs (student loans, rent, housing, healthcare) relative to income than boomers did.

And you might say, "Well, I'm a boomer and I didn't support those things." Which is like me saying, "Well, I'm a millenial with no student loans and I'm doing well financially." It's totally irrelevant to the reality of how these policies came about -- missing the point that these policy choices were, in fact, promoted by boomer politicians and politicians that boomer voters elected.

My hypothesis is that boomers are mad that they got screwed by the Greatest Generation (Social Security, Vietnam), so they thought they'd turn around and do the same thing to the next generations.

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Old 05-26-2016, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Training more people to get more skills is not an answer. Even if everyone got skills there are not enough higher paying jobs for everyone shows you know nothing about our economy. Just because you take from someone and give to someone else does not make it is unfair it happens all the time but it seems to you it is only unfair when it happens to the non poor. So are you saying paying someone a paycheck is unfair because that is taking from one person and giving to another. Is it fair that Corporations continue to make tons of money in profits but most all of the money goes to the top or the rich getting tax cuts or CEO of failing businesses getting bonuses. Just because life if unfair does not mean nothing should be done to change it.
I am not even going to bother with this insipid reply if all you can argue is ONE point about teaching skills. And for the record, people who don't make a lot of money ALSO pay for the leeching freeloaders, not just the wealthy. Your entire reply shows that you don't have a CLUE about the economy or how people of all classes are affected by MORE than just lack of training. I'm not going to write it out for you again. Read it and get something from it instead of coming up with a bunch of **** poor excuses right off the bat.
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Old 05-26-2016, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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On the one hand you seem to be complaining that people complain about everything and do nothing, and no doubt that is quite the list of what makes for all parts of the problem, but what more can really be expected from the average American I wonder...

I too have lots of strong opinions about what is right or wrong with our state of affairs, much you comment that I am inclined to agree with, plenty I don't as well, but to what extent can I be expected to do much more than comment, complain? Unless we are actually in politics, working in politics on a full-time basis rather than working our jobs as citizens trying to make do best we can with what we have to work with, what more responsibility or expectation can be had that we do much more than belly ache about our problems in general?

We are not the ones being charged or employed to make things better, and we don't agree on how to make things better anyway, so..., we yabber jabber like crazy during presidential elections, we may or may not vote, and then we get back to work at our jobs if we're lucky enough to have one, hoping for the best...
You don't need to be in politics to mentor someone.
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Old 05-26-2016, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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The answer lies within all of the following responses:


And this is also a big part of the problem. You want to blame someone. You want "someone to do something". What are you doing aside from posting multiple times that someone is to blame and something needs to be done? What are you doing to fix anything? Are you spreading information? Are you mentoring anyone? Are you tutoring? Are you giving guidance to people? Are you making proposals? Are you doing a study to see what could work and what doesn't work? Are you educating YOURSELF about what could be done instead of demanding that someone else fixes everything? Are you looking for as much information as you can, with NO BIAS, or as little bias as you can, to see why something has been done, hasn't been done, could be done, could not be done? And once you have done that, are you building on that? Are you coming up with ideas? Do you have ideas? What have you done with those ideas? B*tch at a house party where everyone complains about the same damn crap: the evil rich, the horrible racist, hateful, xenophobic "rethugs", the reason it's called "HIS story", "socialism", "college should be free", "housing should be free", "basic income", "basic necessities should be free", blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and not once ever gain an understanding of why some of the very policies that have been voted on by people you may have voted for, or your little pals at that stupid house party voted for have caused much of the problem you see before you now?

Or will you choose not to answer my questions, either?


I am not going to address everything you have asked here on a social site, but I will respond to misinformation you seem to have based on my quotes/statements. I have served and I will continue to do so. In these positions both paid and unpaid the answer to your questions is an Astounding-YES, YES, YES!! I would like to know what you have done to serve those who are less fortunate?

-Career started in Corporate: Seven Years: Marketing Supervisor

GOD CALLED ME:

-Head Start Family Advocate & Team Leader: Seven Years

-Head Start Director: One Year (Seven Classrooms)

-Easter Seals Workforce Development Coordinator for Welfare to Work Challenging Families & Youth Ex-Offenders: Six Years

-Franklin County Family Success Research Director: Two Years

-Boys and Girls Club Youth Development Specialist: Two Years

-GEARUP Student & Parent Coordinator: Seven Years (Served cohort 5-12th grade) in Eight schools

*Created Community College Mentoring Program: High School Students, resulted in a college trip to

Washington D.C. and Maryland. Hired mentors who had graduated from College to Mentor my High School Males & Females

*Created a program for Career Exploration and Scholarship Search at several high schools

-Maya Angelou GED Youth Success Coordinator: Two Years

-Currently: HBCU: Career & Retention Specialist, Grant Writer, Early Alert Coordinator, Adjunct Professor

-Volunteer: Youth Group Homes, Domestic Violence Centers, Foster Care Homes

-Research Interests: Many, primarily African American Males

*Journal Article on Parenting: One with professors from MU in Ohio

Current Community Service Pursuit: Assisting the community with a grant to offer afterschool, overnight, and weekend programming for youth!
Good...nice list. You've done more than most on here, on both sides of the debate. I've done a lot, doesn't equal your list, but it's also not something I'm going to put out there. I will not give that much information about myself on the internet...if someone doesn't like that, it's not my problem.

As for what I said in that long paragraph, it started by asking you, personally, and turned in to more of a general 'you' by the end of it....because that's typically what happens. People point and say, "FIX THIS!" but never want to do anything themselves. I don't consider rallying, screaming, holding signs, and calling people "hateful" and "racist" and whatever other idiotic thing they say simply because someone says, "Uh, no, you raise the minimum wage, you're going to kill jobs" to be "making an effort". Anyone can go out on to the streets and complain and yell. How about actually DOING something.

I get irritated when I see people complain and demand that someone else do something, but they never do a damn thing. I get irritated when I see people complain that they are "too poor" to do anything, but then spend all of their money on absolute UTTER CRAP - money that could have definitely gone towards much better use. (I don't care, it's their money, but if you waste it on utter crap, shut the hell up about how 'poor' you are.) I get irritated when people say, "I wish I could help but...." because that actually means, "I don't give two rat backsides to help, I'm just saying it so everyone thinks I'm a kind, giving person".

Everyone wants to complain, no one wants to do a thing.

People acting like there's nothing that they can do unless they are in politics to change things, never once realizing that:

a) it is ridiculous to wait on the government to fix anything
b) it is ridiculous to expect the government to fix anything - they don't care about any of us

Every single person is completely capable of doing something to make life better for one person who needs help, but instead, we get excuses. At least you have something to back up your calls for more action.
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Old 05-26-2016, 10:55 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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True. I'm as libertarian as they come, I blame my generation for a lot, but boomers have ruined this country.



Let's blame someone else!



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Old 05-26-2016, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Transition Island
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Good...nice list. You've done more than most on here, on both sides of the debate. I've done a lot, doesn't equal your list, but it's also not something I'm going to put out there. I will not give that much information about myself on the internet...if someone doesn't like that, it's not my problem.

As for what I said in that long paragraph, it started by asking you, personally, and turned in to more of a general 'you' by the end of it....because that's typically what happens. People point and say, "FIX THIS!" but never want to do anything themselves. I don't consider rallying, screaming, holding signs, and calling people "hateful" and "racist" and whatever other idiotic thing they say simply because someone says, "Uh, no, you raise the minimum wage, you're going to kill jobs" to be "making an effort". Anyone can go out on to the streets and complain and yell. How about actually DOING something.

I get irritated when I see people complain and demand that someone else do something, but they never do a damn thing. I get irritated when I see people complain that they are "too poor" to do anything, but then spend all of their money on absolute UTTER CRAP - money that could have definitely gone towards much better use. (I don't care, it's their money, but if you waste it on utter crap, shut the hell up about how 'poor' you are.) I get irritated when people say, "I wish I could help but...." because that actually means, "I don't give two rat backsides to help, I'm just saying it so everyone thinks I'm a kind, giving person".

Everyone wants to complain, no one wants to do a thing.

People acting like there's nothing that they can do unless they are in politics to change things, never once realizing that:

a) it is ridiculous to wait on the government to fix anything
b) it is ridiculous to expect the government to fix anything - they don't care about any of us

Every single person is completely capable of doing something to make life better for one person who needs help, but instead, we get excuses. At least you have something to back up your calls for more action.
Thank you for your explanation, and I have never had any problem sharing my calling and what I have done in each position to serve the people who I believe are At Promise. I felt the other poster asked questions that were more so personal, and I chose not to answer him. It is an ongoing struggle and I never expect for poverty to end in this country. The poor will always be amongst us-bible clearly states it, and I believe it. What I have learned throughout all these years is that one service delivery model does not fit all, and many times I have created a customized delivery model and served each person accordingly. Ultimately it is the responsibility of the individual I am serving, because without their active participation- I can do nothing with all my rich resources!!
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Old 05-26-2016, 01:11 PM
 
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You don't need to be in politics to mentor someone.
Maybe not, but to make a real difference in politics, the making of policy that truly affects people, for example, it takes a good deal more than just mentoring someone, though I won't argue every little bit counts.

Just that being in politics counts a good deal more than simply mentoring someone is all. Something like the difference between serving on the Board of Directors for GM vs working on the assembly line screwing the lug nuts onto the wheels. The lug nuts are important, yes, but when it comes to policy making, not as much...
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