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Given today's limp wristed pansy zealous advocates that would be true likely. They should apologize for trying to force people to do that with which they do not wish and/or want to do especially in matters of the Faithful. Perhaps they do not practice what they preach i.e. especially in matters of tolerance and acceptance? We await their long overdue apology to all those with whom they disagree with and/or think differently than they do.
We fight differently than you. Curtis LeMay said " I'll tell you what war is about, you've got to kill people, and when you've killed enough they stop fighting." Exactly. They are gone.
For example with the early nuclear weapons, why did they not start with the biggest cities and work on down? Clean. Sometimes I / we wonder about this place and yet you still have the intellectual capacity to [ omitted ]. Things could be better in a good Walt Disney movie way. Way much better.
Tokyo had already been practically demolished by conventional bombing.
No question about it. He made decisions that needed to be made even if they went against his own mildly anti-Semitic and anti-black beliefs:
Integrating the armed forced;
Integrating armed forces housing;
Dropping the bomb on Hiroshima & Nagasaki; and
Recognizing the State of Israel over State Department and almost universal opposition.
Frankly he reminds me a lot of an earlier version against Donald Trump, except that most people now agree with at least three out of the four above actions.
I am particularly impressed with this.... before he became president.......
WW2 democrats would abhor todays liberals............
FDR was to the left of 90% of the modern Democratic party. The things that Sanders has been proposing like universal health care are policies that FDR wanted to implement but never got to because WW2 got in the way.
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Tommyrot. There were much more serious concerns. As in:
You just called Dick Cheney a liberal. That's - well, pretty bold.
Of course, Dick Cheney in 1994 was actually right - we even have empirical backing, because in 2003, the US carried out the "Occupy Iraq" experiment, and the quagmire promptly happened.
One of the great historical debates to this day remains whether Harry Truman was justified in ordering the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki even though over a million Americans would have died in an invasion of Japan.
However, looking at the Bernouts and Hillary supporters and other liberals today, they wouldn't have chosen one of these choices (though if they had to they would probably put the lives of Japanese civilians over that of American soldiers.)
If liberals had run America during WW2, they wouldn't have demanded the unconditional surrender of Japan and Germany. Instead of choosing between the atomic bombings and a US invasion of Japan, they would have let General Tojo's remain in power and negotiated with them, probably after the Battle of Okinawa, or maybe even after Iwo Jima since Okinawa was Japanese territory before the WW2 invasions. This would have have the Imperial Japanese regime in power to potentially rebuild its military and threaten America again.
A liberal Democrat government (a Bernie Sanders/Obama/HIllary type administration) would likely have also not demanded Germany's unconditional surrender. They would have negotiated with Hitler after liberating France and the Netherlands. They may even have negotiated a deal after the Battle of the Bulge. In this scenario the Soviets alone would have defeated the Nazi regime and instead of East and West Germany and the Berlin airlift, etc, we would have ended up with all of Germany occupied by the Soviets and turned into a Soviet puppet communist regime, with Soviet forces on the French and Dutch borders, within striking distance of the UK.
The problem today is that we no longer utterly defeat our enemies. The Korean War ended with a peace treaty and the region remains tense today as a result. We could have bombed North Vietnam into defeat with limited U.S. casualties if we had firebombed Hanoi like Dresden and Leipzig in WW2. Most of the opposition to the Vietnam War wasn't out of concern for U.S. casualties. It was sympathy for the communist enemy as evidenced by how soldiers were treated by protesters upon returning to America.
We were also utterly devastating Saddam's army in Desert Storm when the West stopped the attack without pushing into Baghdad and installing a pro-Western government in Iraq. They were concerned about the enemy soldiers dying on the Highway of Death. If Saddam had been deposed then, there would have been no need for a US military presence in Saudi Arabia that would eventually motivate Osama bin Laden to attack us on 9-11. We also refuse to Israel completely defeat Hamas in Gaza and pressure them to negotiate cease fires with that Muslim terrorist group.
Japan and Germany were utterly defeated and surrendered conditionally. And they no longer cause us any problems today.
The first word of this thread title as all you need to read. All the rest is overheated fantasy.
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