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Old 06-29-2016, 07:20 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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And yet surgical aspiration for miscarriages can be done in an office that was not covered under the new law.
Based on what?

And did the physician performing the procedure not have admitting privileges?
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Old 06-29-2016, 07:20 AM
 
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How about this. Show me one place in the decision where equal protection of the law is mentioned ?
That's unnecessary, because any person with any common sense understands the inherent relationship between undue burden and equal protection.
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Old 06-29-2016, 07:22 AM
 
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No it's not the same thing and I already explained the distinction between PA and TX but you are ignoring the obvious. Texas required wholesale construction standards., PA did not.
TX required no more of abortion centers than they did of any other ambulatory surgery center. Where's the problem?

Oh, I get it... you believe women, exclusively, should be OK with accepting substandard health care.
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Old 06-29-2016, 07:23 AM
 
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I'd love to hear you tell a woman who lost her baby in the third trimester that it was no different than having a cyst removed.

Tell us this, what is the difference between a premature baby in the NICU and one at the same stage of development that has yet to be delivered?
How many abortions were performed last year at that same stage of development?

Your argument is a DEAD-END. If someone carries a child into the third trimester, it's because they intended to go full-term, and if an abortion has to be performed at that point it is because something tragic has happened.
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Old 06-29-2016, 07:26 AM
 
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Admitting privileges to where exactly? Women in west TX and other parts of the country often travel more than a hundred miles to receive a medical abortion, meaning they are not within thirty miles of the clinic if they have complications.
Patients in west TX and other parts of the country often travel more than a hundred miles to receive a surgical procedure, meaning they are not within thirty miles of the ambulatory surgery center if they have complications. But ambulatory surgery centers have to meet minimum standards. See what I mean?

No reason to accept substandard services for women, exclusively. How do you not get that?
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Old 06-29-2016, 07:29 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Actually, it does. PA passed a law requiring abortion centers to meet ambulatory surgery center standards before Texas did. Why was it OK with liberals to do so in PA, but when Texas did so liberals demanded that women's health care standards be set back to Gosnell-era subpar standards?
Are the standards for ASCs the same for each state? Are the regulations federal? Do you know what standards are included in the Pennsylvania law?

Get back with that info, otherwise you are just whistling in the dark.
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Old 06-29-2016, 07:30 AM
 
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And the Oscar Award for Best Dramatic Performance goes to ...
We know how you feel when you're emotional and irrational. How about addressing the points, rationally?

The PA law, enacted before the TX law, did the same thing: required abortion centers to meet ambulatory surgery center standards. Why no problem then? Why was it only a problem when Texas did the same?

Why not go after all ambulatory surgery centers' requirements? Why is it that liberals only want abortion centers to be free of meeting minimum standards? Why are only women being targeted for substandard health care?
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Old 06-29-2016, 07:30 AM
 
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Unless she is raped, it's her fault. I mean, you are in charge of your own body right? Or are you suggesting men have partial ownership?
And back to "women deserve to be punished for enjoying sex."
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Old 06-29-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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Are the standards for ASCs the same for each state?
All that matters is the Constitution's equal protection clause. It's a violation to force women to accept lower standards for their health care than other patients are provided for theirs.
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Old 06-29-2016, 07:34 AM
 
Location: On the Beach
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As a self proclaimed liberal living in red Texas, having to listen to Greg Abbott and Dan Patrick's inane rants weekly, this ruling was like Christmas in June. The governor and lieutenant governor have nothing better to do than sue the Federal Government for every imagined infringement on individual rights they can think of. Local radio continues to spout nonsense that this law was to protect the health of women!!! While the SCOTUS continues to work cases absent one judge, this decision was a blessing. Meanwhile, Texas will continue to turn down billions in education funding from the Fed gov because of transgender bathroom issues. This state is drastically in need of new leadership. And no, I don't think abortion is something to take lightly - but a woman's right trumps a fetus. That decision has already been established. And the fight continues...
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