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Old 06-29-2016, 11:02 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Because I believe that you are dishonest.
That's your choice. It still remains evident that you advocate lower standards for women. That's on you.
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Old 06-29-2016, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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That's your choice. It still remains evident that you advocate lower standards for women. That's on you.
Actually, it's on you for believing that I should see eye to eye on standards based on your own self-created metric in the first place. I recognize the high standards and safety statistics already in place because I am a data-driven person, but you've spent dozens of pages making up lies about "low standards" in order to cowardly hide behind your distaste for abortion.
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Old 06-29-2016, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Colonoscopies are a diagnostic procedure. Abortions are not.
That is not what I asked. I asked what are the complication rates for colonoscopies in Finland.
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Old 06-29-2016, 11:09 AM
 
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Actually, it's on you for believing that we see eye to eye on standards in the first place.
Oh, by all means... let's not require women's health care facilities to meet standards that those servicing everyone else has to meet. /heavy sarcasm

Honestly, can you not even take a step back and look at for which you're advocating?
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Old 06-29-2016, 11:11 AM
 
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Oh, by all means... let's not require women's health care facilities to meet standards that those servicing everyone else has to meet. /heavy sarcasm

Honestly, can you not even take a step back and look at for which you're advocating?
Yet "everyone else" does not have to meet those standards including doctors that do D&Cs in office for miscarriages. The EXACT same procedure as an abortion, but they do not have to have admitting privileges or surgical center standards.

Why is that?
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Old 06-29-2016, 11:12 AM
 
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That is not what I asked. I asked what are the complication rates for colonoscopies in Finland.
They're not comparable procedures. Colonoscopies are diagnostic tests. Abortions are procedures in which the forcible removal of tissue from an internal organ is the expected result.

Why cloud the issue? Why not just admit that you're good with women's health care having lower standards than everyone else's?
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Old 06-29-2016, 11:14 AM
 
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Yet "everyone else" does not have to meet those standards including doctors that do D&Cs in office for miscarriages.
You've not provided any proof of such. Furthermore, provide proof that physicians performing D&Cs don't have admitting privileges.
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Old 06-29-2016, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Oh, by all means... let's not require women's health care facilities to meet standards that those servicing everyone else has to meet. /heavy sarcasm

Honestly, can you not even take a step back and look at for which you're advocating?
I'm only advocating that you stop trying to fool people with your feigned concern and false rhetoric. You are clearly not pro-choice, which is why no amount of fact-based hard data has been able to shut down your hysterical ranting for over fifty pages. You don't want facts. You want frenzy. So laughably obvious.
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Old 06-29-2016, 11:20 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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If they're not considered legitimate practitioners by their peers, why should they be allowed to invade women's bodies?
A women's health care clinic in my hometown, which is in fact an ambulatory surgical center, could not obtain admitting privileges for their doctors at ANY city hospital, which was out of compliance with current state law requiring a transfer agreement between the clinic and a local hospital. (Other surgical centers have no such issues obtaining transfer agreements.) The hospitals simply refused to work with the clinic. Up until recently, the state department of health permitted a variance to the requirement based on the written commitment of two local OB-Gyns, who had admitting privileges at the city hospital in my hometown but did not provide care through the clinic, to step in and provide follow-up in the case of complications. The State Department of Health threatened to revoke that variance, which would have spelled the end for the clinic, until yet another physician stepped in and the Department of Health reluctantly agreed to temporarily extend the variance. The local Right to Life organization continues advocating for closure of the clinic and has resorted to all sorts of sneaky tactics, plastering all of the doctor's faces all over town in an effort to incite violence against them. As of the latest developments, the clinic's future still hangs in the balance.

Now, does this seem like a reasonable situation to you? Are the women of my hometown being treated fairly under the law in this situation, given abortion has been legal for forty-three years?
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Old 06-29-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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I'm only advocating that you stop trying to fool people with your feigned concern and false rhetoric. You are clearly not pro-choice
Absolutely false. I AM pro-equal treatment.

Why cloud the issue? Why not just admit that you're good with women's health care having lower standards than everyone else's?
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