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Old 05-03-2009, 01:30 PM
 
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Imagine a future election where this guy (link below) has served in the United States senate for a number of years and is now the republican presidential candidate.

About US - American Islamic Forum for Democracy (http://www.aifdemocracy.org/about/members.php - broken link)

The man in the above link is Zudhi Jasser, a Muslim who appears often on conservative shows such as the Glenn beck show. He stands for conservative family values and supports the war on terror and is against Sharia law and stands proudly for the American military (he served in the navy) and American freedom and i assume he is pro-gun, pro-life and anti-gay.

In this future election, he is running against Democrat Howard Dean...i assume we all know who he is.

My question is whether Republicans would vote for a Muslim candidate, if he is pro-military, anti-illegal immigrant, pro-gun and pro-life...or would many of the Republicans vote for a touchy-feely, homosexual loving, Vermont socialist like Dean simply because he is white and presumably with a last name like "Dean", has some Christians somewhere in his family tree.

Having observed the Republican attacks against Obama's supposed Muslim background in the 2008 election, i was wondering if he would have been exposed to such scrutiny if he had been a Republican conservative.
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Old 05-03-2009, 01:31 PM
 
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Imagine a future election where this guy (link below) has served in the United States senate for a number of years and is now the republican presidential candidate.

About US - American Islamic Forum for Democracy (http://www.aifdemocracy.org/about/members.php - broken link)

The man in the above link is Zudhi Jasser, a Muslim who appears often on conservative shows such as the Glenn beck show. He stands for conservative family values and supports the war on terror and is against Sharia law and stands proudly for the American military (he served in the navy) and American freedom and i assume he is pro-gun, pro-life and anti-gay.

In this future election, he is running against Democrat Howard Dean...i assume we all know who he is.

My question is whether Republicans would vote for a Muslim candidate, if he is pro-military, anti-illegal immigrant, pro-gun and pro-life...or would many of the Republicans vote for a touchy-feely, homosexual loving, Vermont socialist like Dean simply because he is white and presumably with a last name like "Dean", has some Christians somewhere in his family tree.

Having observed the Republican attacks against Obama's supposed Muslim background in the 2008 election, i was wondering if he would have been exposed to such scrutiny if he had been a Republican conservative.
I would vote for neither.
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Old 05-03-2009, 01:41 PM
 
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I would give my vote to Mr. Jasser as long as he doesn't try to force his pro-life and anti-gay views on the entire country.
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Old 05-03-2009, 01:45 PM
 
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Imagine a future election where this guy (link below) has served in the United States senate for a number of years and is now the republican presidential candidate.

About US - American Islamic Forum for Democracy (http://www.aifdemocracy.org/about/members.php - broken link)

The man in the above link is Zudhi Jasser, a Muslim who appears often on conservative shows such as the Glenn beck show. He stands for conservative family values and supports the war on terror and is against Sharia law and stands proudly for the American military (he served in the navy) and American freedom and i assume he is pro-gun, pro-life and anti-gay.

In this future election, he is running against Democrat Howard Dean...i assume we all know who he is.

My question is whether Republicans would vote for a Muslim candidate, if he is pro-military, anti-illegal immigrant, pro-gun and pro-life...or would many of the Republicans vote for a touchy-feely, homosexual loving, Vermont socialist like Dean simply because he is white and presumably with a last name like "Dean", has some Christians somewhere in his family tree.

Having observed the Republican attacks against Obama's supposed Muslim background in the 2008 election, i was wondering if he would have been exposed to such scrutiny if he had been a Republican conservative.
Someone's religious views should not be held against them.
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Old 05-03-2009, 01:47 PM
 
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I would vote for neither.
Really?

Why not?

I would have thought that Republicans would love a pro American person, pro life, anti gay, small taxes...
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Old 05-03-2009, 01:53 PM
 
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Really?

Why not?

I would have thought that Republicans would love a pro American person, pro life, anti gay, small taxes...
Although I am for freedom of religion, I just don't feel comfortable with an Islamic president over the US given the track record that Islam has in the Middle East. You have criticize Christians for imposing their beliefs on everyone else, how would you, as a Hindu, feel about having a leader whose faith would consider you to be an infidel who is worthy of death ruling over you?
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Old 05-03-2009, 01:57 PM
 
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Although I am for freedom of religion, I just don't feel comfortable with an Islamic president over the US given the track record that Islam has in the Middle East. You have criticize Christians for imposing their beliefs on everyone else, how would you, as a Hindu, feel about having a leader whose faith would consider you to be an infidel who is worthy of death ruling over you?
Well said!
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Old 05-03-2009, 02:01 PM
 
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in addition, i would also wonder if many republicans would not vote for a social and fiscal pro-military conservative who had a Muslim father and Muslim name but is now an evangelical Christian (Think: a conservative version of Obama) or what about a former Muslim who is now an extreme anti-islamic Christian fundamentalist who vehemently hates liberals (Think: Walid Shoebat ) or what about a conservative Arab Christian who is descended from Maronite Catholics (Think: a conservative version of Ralph Nader)

i am wondering if there is a significant amount of the population who views any connection whatsoever to islam or the middle east as a detriment/unwashable curse mark....i am sure there are probably a few people who think this way...which is a very flawed way of thinking if those people happen to be Christian...(Jesus Christ spoke Aramaic (very similar to Arabic, was born in what is now Palestine, most likely was of dark complexion, and probably ate traditional arab-type food rather than hot dogs and hamburgers)
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Old 05-03-2009, 02:09 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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in addition, i would also wonder if many republicans would not vote for a social and fiscal pro-military conservative who had a Muslim father and Muslim name but is now an evangelical Christian (Think: a conservative version of Obama) or what about a former Muslim who is now an extreme anti-islamic Christian fundamentalist who vehemently hates liberals (Think: Walid Shoebat ) or what about a conservative Arab Christian who is descended from Maronite Catholics (Think: a conservative version of Ralph Nader)

i am wondering if there is a significant amount of the population who views any connection whatsoever to islam or the middle east as a detriment/unwashable curse mark....i am sure there are probably a few people who think this way...which is a very flawed way of thinking if those people happen to be Christian...(Jesus Christ spoke Aramaic (very similar to Arabic, was born in what is now Palestine, most likely was of dark complexion, and probably ate traditional arab-type food rather than hot dogs and hamburgers)
There are many Middle Eastern folks that are Christians. Your question identified the republican candidate as being a Muslim. I have no issue with a person's name or ethnicity. It's the religious beliefs of Islam that I feel would be harmful for this country as evidenced by the Middle East.
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Old 05-03-2009, 02:12 PM
 
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Although I am for freedom of religion, I just don't feel comfortable with an Islamic president over the US given the track record that Islam has in the Middle East. You have criticize Christians for imposing their beliefs on everyone else, how would you, as a Hindu, feel about having a leader whose faith would consider you to be an infidel who is worthy of death ruling over you?
Well, I am not a Hindu first of all, lol. And honestly, to tell you the truth. I agree with you up to a point. Hindus were brutally MURDERED because of Muslims. ( I dont know how familiar you are with Indian history but every time there has been a war, Muslims were the start) They killed everyone basically.

And Christians have also gone through that phase of considering people who dont follow Christ to be infidels. Most of them are not doing it anymore. At the same time, not all Muslims hate the USA or want everyone who is not Islamic to be dead.

But a Muslim who is against the laws of Islam and has served our nation has obviously shown he cares about this country. He is not covering it up. He believes in God like Christians do. I would have no problem voting for him if I was a conservative. Why should his religion matter? In my opinion, a politician should not even say what religion he or she is because if she or he is non-Christian, you can guarantee he would lose. So much for equality. If you did not know he was Islamic, I am sure you would have voted for him.

EDIT: Also, I could say the same about Christianity. I do feel the religious beliefs of Christianity have been more harmful than good for this country.
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