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Old 08-18-2016, 09:16 PM
 
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No it's not..the Govt. requires many different mandatory purchases with negative sanctions if you do not comply. Permits, Bonds and licenses are just a few. It might interest you to know that there are exceptions to the ACA..most notably Veterans that receive care from the VA.
No, those permits, licenses, etc, are all voluntary. The US gov has mandated people, because they are alive, to purchase health insurance, a purchase from a private company. The only way out of this is to be dead. That is vastly different than obtaining a license to cut hair.

And it is amazing how the US gov has exempted illegal immigrants from the ACA.
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Houston
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There are exceptions to the rule but basically when a law is passed freedom is lost.
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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*laughs* Tell me...Laura..does my "newness' somehow devalue my opinion?
Does my "newness" invalidate my 65 years of experience?
Am I reduced to a high school-like shuffling of my feet and a red-faced "Yes, Mam"?

FYI..I've lurked this forum for a few months now..just not that much of a joiner---had a few ideas and regged---am I not welcome?
I'll welcome ya.

So...welcome to the asylum. There's a big bowl of drugs on the table in the middle fo the room (do NOT recommend). There's strait jackets over in the corner (DO recommend). Also, every Friday at 2PM EST there's group therapy in the Psychology subforum.

I'd shake hands, but...well, you know. *bumps elbows*

Enjoy your stay.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The one we have actually advanced freedom is in the area of trade of course the Trumpites and Sandernistas would like to reverse the progress we have made in that area.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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And here are the reasons why:

In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the
Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always
Temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
Form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
The time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous
Gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
Always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from
The public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
Collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a
Dictatorship."

The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
Beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200
Years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."
The Obituary follows:

" United States of America ", Born 1776, Died 2016
It doesn't hurt to read this several times.
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in
St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning
The last Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Obama: 19 Romney: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 Romney: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million Romney: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Obama: 13.2 Romney: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory
Romney won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low
Income tenements and living off various forms of government
Welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
Democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population
Already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
The most interesting thing here, is that Professor Olson had absolutely nothing to do with this. No, I take that back, the most interesting thing about this is the evolution of chain e-mail and urban legends.

This one in particular, first grew wings and flew in 2000.

Unreported Stats
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The most interesting thing here, is that Professor Olson had absolutely nothing to do with this. No, I take that back, the most interesting thing about this is the evolution of chain e-mail and urban legends.

This one in particular, first grew wings and flew in 2000.

Unreported Stats
Those stats are probably pretty close to the truth. Democrats win highly populated urban areas while Republicans take rural areas. Of course the stats don't mean crap. Land does not get a vote.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Why don't let the business owner decide what is correct under his religion? Not you.
I'm not interested in "approving" everyone to do anything and get away with it because they choose to call it a "religion". Think about the consequences. Heaven's Gate maybe? A "religion" that celebrates group sex in public? A "religion" that vandalizes cars that aren't electric? Think about it.

We have enough legitimate religions to choose from, and they all preach on God including Hinduism to the surprise of most people. So the variety is there and none of them but Christian fundy evangelicalism advocates changing other to comply with the religionists' "morals". I believe most people feel as I do. Think about it. Really.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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They are one in the same. Calling someone a business person doesn't remove their right to associate with whomever they choose.
W R O N G

You want to protect rights, . . . --some rights.... yours. The government has moved to protect more rights by banning businesses to discriminate on the basis of race, gender, or religion. It sounds like you would like to see that ended but aren't willing to come right out and admit it. You seem to want to sneak it through by calling it something else, like the republican "right to work" law that is really about damaging the right of workers to organize for workers' rights. You want rights, so how do you feel about the so called "right to work" laws? How do you feel about the right of workers to organize? How do you feel about our right to keep religion separated from government?

There are "rights" that protect people in a reasonable way from unreasonable impositions, and there are "rights" that would "protect" the few from the preferences of the majority with potential harm to either other people or to society as a whole. And so far I don't find any posts here that advocate for "rights" of the first type.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Not anymore it is not. A right lost.
Are you referring to the right to fire a person for their race, gender, or religion?
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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To be fair the right to other people's property has been greatly expanded.
That's a generality. Be specific. Are you talking about taxation or are you talking about eminent domain?

Or what?
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