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Old 08-25-2016, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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There were more Mormons in the Midwest and they caused a scene were ran out all the way to Utah in the late 1800's right under the nose of the constitution.
And just how did they cause a scene?

In spite of the fact that they were law-abiding American citizens, they were driven from their homes in mid-winter and forced to flee what was then the United States for their lives. (Yes, you can take that last statement literally. The Governor of Missouri issued an "Extermination Order" that made it legal to kill any Mormon in Missouri. That law was on the books until 1976. You read that right. 1976, not 1876.) They hauled their meager possessions across the Great Plains of America, losing hundreds to starvation, illness and the elements, and finally settled in a desolate wilderness nobody else wanted.

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The constitution didn't protect religious cults that were deemed a problem until after progressives proclaimed by fiat it did after the 1960's.
The only "problem" the Mormons were creating was that they were pretty much unified in their opposition to slavery. That didn't bide well with the good Christians of the Midwest.
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Old 08-25-2016, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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I said credible source, pknopp. Not a BS article sourced from WND and Infowars. You're better than that. And I'm no fan of Hillary, either.

Websites say Hillary Clinton's State Department blocked investigation into Orlando shooter's mosque | PolitiFact
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Old 08-25-2016, 07:09 PM
 
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I said credible source, pknopp. Not a BS article sourced from WND and Infowars. You're better than that. And I'm no fan of Hillary, either.

Websites say Hillary Clinton's State Department blocked investigation into Orlando shooter's mosque | PolitiFact
So people were asked to do something one could have easily done themselves? I don't disagree that one should provide links to their claims but this is old news.
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Old 08-25-2016, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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Not old news, more like old fiction. There's plenty to crticize Hillary for. No need to make stuff up.
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Old 08-25-2016, 08:36 PM
 
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And just how did they cause a scene?

In spite of the fact that they were law-abiding American citizens, they were driven from their homes in mid-winter and forced to flee what was then the United States for their lives. (Yes, you can take that last statement literally. The Governor of Missouri issued an "Extermination Order" that made it legal to kill any Mormon in Missouri. That law was on the books until 1976. You read that right. 1976, not 1876.) They hauled their meager possessions across the Great Plains of America, losing hundreds to starvation, illness and the elements, and finally settled in a desolate wilderness nobody else wanted.

The only "problem" the Mormons were creating was that they were pretty much unified in their opposition to slavery. That didn't bide well with the good Christians of the Midwest.
Hey I don't have much against or for Mormons, my issue is with the muslims jetting over by 100s thousands every year today. I'm not taking a position on who was right or wrong per se. The Mormon leader did something of substance though,, I don't recall. I was just making the point that the constitution never meant nor was interpreted as today's progressives now claim. This incident was well after the first amendment and in the 1800s. The incident I was thinking happened in Illinois after the Mormon leader attack an office of the press and the Mormon leader was later killed. I guess there were conflicts in more than one state.

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Old 08-26-2016, 03:52 AM
 
Location: USA
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Hey I don't have much against or for Mormons, my issue is with the muslims jetting over by 100s thousands every year today. I'm not taking a position on who was right or wrong per se. The Mormon leader did something of substance though,, I don't recall. I was just making the point that the constitution never meant nor was interpreted as today's progressives now claim. This incident was well after the first amendment and in the 1800s. The incident I was thinking happened in Illinois after the Mormon leader attack an office of the press and the Mormon leader was later killed. I guess there were conflicts in more than one state.
Mormon or Muslim, same thing
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Old 08-26-2016, 03:53 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Mosques are houses of warship.
BAN THEM.
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Old 08-26-2016, 09:28 AM
 
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This incident was well after the first amendment and in the 1800s.
Surely you're not entering into a discussion of constitutional rights without being aware that the Bill of Rights wasn't held to be binding for state governments until the passage and incorporation of the 14th amendment?
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Old 08-26-2016, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Mormon or Muslim, same thing
Yeah, they're both religions you don't personally like. So what?
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Old 08-26-2016, 06:56 PM
 
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Many mosques preach Anti-West and Anti-Infidel sermons.

A survey showed as many as half. It's troubling.
So do most liberals.
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