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Old 08-24-2016, 06:21 AM
 
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They are being devestated by crime and problems, but at least in one border town they are not waiting for the 2016 race to make the choice to take their own actions.

New Mexico town has 18ft high STEEL WALL erected to keep illegal immigrants out | Daily Mail Online
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:26 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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It's pathetic that a town has to flip the bill for protecting the country. Shame on Obama and Congress for not addressing this.
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:32 AM
 
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The problem with relying on The Daily Mail is that some information will be inaccurate, as here.


This fence is not being paid for by the town. It is being built by the US Border Patrol, using funding from the Secure Fence Act of 2006.


Border fence viewed with apprehension | Albuquerque Journal


Then-Senator Hillary Clinton voted for it:


https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s262
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:32 AM
 
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In a sense the town doing this over time saves money and lives. But in this case Mexico didn't pay for it.
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It's pathetic that a town has to flip the bill for protecting the country. Shame on Obama and Congress for not addressing this.
There was a bill proposal (and still is) to build the wall and more in 2012, but the GOP refused to even debate it for partisan reasons. No bill, no money, no wall. Trump is having a pipe dream thinking Mexico will pay for the wall, especially up-front. This whole political system is so broken that it will take a long time to fix. Unfortunately Nov 2016 is likely to make the dysfunction even worse.
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:43 AM
 
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There was a bill proposal (and still is) to build the wall and more in 2012, but the GOP refused to even debate it for partisan reasons. No bill, no money, no wall. Trump is having a pipe dream thinking Mexico will pay for the wall, especially up-front. This whole political system is so broken that it will take a long time to fix. Unfortunately Nov 2016 is likely to make the dysfunction even worse.
You tax all bank or money transfers to Mexico At 10% for as long as it takes and you get the wall paid.
With oil being down the number one source to Mexico income wise is all the illegals or residents wiring money back to Mexico. Easy to tap into actually.
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:45 AM
 
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There was a bill proposal (and still is) to build the wall and more in 2012, but the GOP refused to even debate it for partisan reasons. No bill, no money, no wall. Trump is having a pipe dream thinking Mexico will pay for the wall, especially up-front. This whole political system is so broken that it will take a long time to fix. Unfortunately Nov 2016 is likely to make the dysfunction even worse.
Did that bill fund only the wall or did it include other things? If it had other stuff, what was it?
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:51 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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There was a bill proposal (and still is) to build the wall and more in 2012, but the GOP refused to even debate it for partisan reasons. No bill, no money, no wall. Trump is having a pipe dream thinking Mexico will pay for the wall, especially up-front. This whole political system is so broken that it will take a long time to fix. Unfortunately Nov 2016 is likely to make the dysfunction even worse.
I believe that bill also called for a path to citizenship for illegals among other unpopular ideas.
Personally I don't believe we need a wall. We need laws with teeth. Hammer the employers of illegals. Make them afraid to hire illegals.
Go after the assets of the illegals.
Go after the land lords who knowingly rent to illegals.
Make E-Verify the law of the land. Do these things and force illegals to self deport.
Make the penalty so harsh that very few would even consider breaking it. Include hammering those greedy homeowners who troll parking lots looking for cheap labor.
No E-verify done and you have illegals working for you? $50,000 dollar fine per illegal.
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You tax all bank or money transfers to Mexico At 10% for as long as it takes and you get the wall paid.
With oil being down the number one source to Mexico income wise is all the illegals or residents wiring money back to Mexico. Easy to tap into actually.
And someone in Congress will vote for such bill? Who?
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Did that bill fund only the wall or did it include other things? If it had other stuff, what was it?
It had electronic surveillance, aerial surveillance, double and triple walls in hot-spots, increase in number of border patrol etc....
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