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Old 02-21-2008, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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I do when it goes on the grill
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:17 PM
 
Location: wrong planet
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Believe me, I've researched a lot about Chernobyl, I know the devastating effects they are still feeling.

Burg=City, or town. I would think someone with a name like Cat Friend auf Deutsch would understand.

Even though power is for profit, I couldn't open up a nuclear power plant and just start selling. There are numerous gov't standards that must first be met.

The terrorist could drop a dirty bomb in the NYC subway system tomorrow and wipe out half of Manhattan. We can't live in a hypothetical world. Besides that we pay terrorist billions of dollars a year in oil revenue, so then should we stop driving?
In your first post you claimed less than 60 people died, so which is it?

As long as nuclear power is run by private companies and as long as there is no final safe storage solution, I am opposed to it.
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:17 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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I believe Einstein said it best:
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The release of atomic energy has not created a new problem. It has merely made more urgent the necessity of solving an existing one.
Albert Einstein
US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)
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I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
Albert Einstein
US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)
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Right now, one of the biggest problems we face is clean renewable energy.
I don't think that the energy shortage is what ails humanity the most.
As long as man wages war, nuclear energy will not help us.
Lets for the sake of argument suppose that we have invented the technology of converting solar energy directly into electricity for nearly free, this will create more problems than that it will solve. The problem of overpopulation and clean energy only spells doom and not utopia.
Even after 20+ centuries modern man still doesn't know how to share.
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Boise
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In your first post you claimed less than 60 people died, so which is it?

As long as nuclear power is run by private companies and as long as there is no final safe storage solution, I am opposed to it.
OK fair enough, only 56 people died as a direct result, and numorous more have been effected, which was not factored into the stats in the article I am sourcing. The point is, Chernobyl was ran by incompetant Soviet scientists that cut corners literally every where, and didn't head the warning signs of eminant disaster. This is not Soviet Russia. There are standards in place, a Chernobyl-like incident would never happen in under watch of the US government.
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:27 PM
 
Location: wrong planet
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"numerous" and what number might that be? 1000, 10.000. 100.000 ???
And I don't believe something like Chernobyl couldn't also happen here. Guess I don't have as much trust in greedy and incompetent people as you.

Serious Safety and Security Risks Undercut Nuclear Power's Role in Minimizing Global Warming, New Report Finds
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:30 PM
 
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It's too late for nuclear power in the US to solve much of anything. We couldn't build enough reactors to meet demand and avert global warming. Conservation measures are also needed or nobody is ever going to feel the pinch/costs of their inactions.

In the long term solar, wind, and geothermal are the way to go. But that will require much lower human populations until the efficiency of solar power can substantially increase.
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Boise
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In the long term solar, wind, and geothermal are the way to go. But that will require much lower human populations until the efficiency of solar power can substantially increase.
Uh yeah, that's the catch, I doubt if 3 billion people are willing to go jump off a cliff for the good of solar power.
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:37 PM
 
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There are many places in the United State west that have no one living around for at least 200 miles. So no, they won't start burying waste under your burg.
I really hope you're joking.

How long have you been in Idaho? Remember the whole Yucca Mountain issue about 10-15 years ago?
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Boise
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I really hope you're joking.

How long have you been in Idaho? Remember the whole Yucca Mountain issue about 10-15 years ago?
Nowadays waste is crystalized and buried with little effect, I remember the bumper stickers "Not in our Backyard". I was actually only 4 15 years ago though, so I don't remember the details, just some left over debate. Nuclear waste management is not the big deal it is made out to be. Much less is actually produced than is thought. Most fears are unfounded. Not to mention it is a great way to depleat our nuclear arsenal.
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Boise
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"numerous" and what number might that be? 1000, 10.000. 100.000 ???
And I don't believe something like Chernobyl couldn't also happen here. Guess I don't have as much trust in greedy and incompetent people as you.

Serious Safety and Security Risks Undercut Nuclear Power's Role in Minimizing Global Warming, New Report Finds
Are you at all worried about the masses of weapons spread out throughout the country? They could potentially detanate. Hope you don't live in Colorado.
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