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Old 09-06-2016, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Oh Ok got it. It is racist because you say it is.
What do black people have to loose?
You mean the black doctors, engineers, accountants, lawyers, business owners, etc. etc.?

What do you think they have to lose? Maybe all they've worked for? Maybe more than you have to lose?
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Of course its racist because everything is sexist, hateful and racist. All rivers run into the sea. So the story goes blacks are under oppression , or at the very least economically disadvantaged. This has been the perpetual battle cry of the democrats. Then trump agrees with it so now that's a problem because it ignores the success of blacks as told to us by Hillary.

So tell me, do blacks need issues addressed or are they doing just fine. Pick one.
I'll leave you to wrestle with your assessment of this for a while. Let me know if you figure it out. The rest of us have.
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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There is no need to build a wall, or do more than we are doing now? How can you say that, given the complete failure of our border security?
A large portion of our border security problems are caused by the government's failure to enforce laws that we have against hiring illegals. Add to the laws to ban renting to illegals and the border problem crashes.

Why do righties fail to see what's under their noses and so obvious?
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:33 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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You mean the black doctors, engineers, accountants, lawyers, business owners, etc. etc.?

What do you think they have to lose? Maybe all they've worked for? Maybe more than you have to lose?
Why would they loose if Democrats didn't sit in the white house?
Are you saying Black people who are doctors etc. only made it because of the democrats? That is pretty condescending if you ask me.
What I see that we all have to loose if Hillary gets elected is e will be flooded with immigrants that will become a burden upon all working people. We need to raise the bar not lower it.
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:36 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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A large portion of our border security problems are caused by the government's failure to enforce laws that we have against hiring illegals. Add to the laws to ban renting to illegals and the border problem crashes.

Why do righties fail to see what's under their noses and so obvious?
You mean laws that were written filled with loopholes? Why doesn't anyone in office, especially the left want E-Verify to be the law of the land. As it stands all an employer needs is deniability and they get a free pass.
I agree we need to enforce our laws.

What do you think of both Hillary and Obama parading illegals on stage?
Of course they only parade the cream and represent them as the average.
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:50 AM
 
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I'll leave you to wrestle with your assessment of this for a while. Let me know if you figure it out. The rest of us have.
The rest of you have decide to believe in self contradictory babbling nonsense ?


I ask you to do a simple thing. Are blacks doing well and enjoying their emancipation or are they relentlessly oppressed?

Pick one. Or pick both and prove you are full of crap. I don't care. I already know what you are all about.
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Old 09-06-2016, 11:01 AM
 
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A large portion of our border security problems are caused by the government's failure to enforce laws that we have against hiring illegals. Add to the laws to ban renting to illegals and the border problem crashes.

Why do righties fail to see what's under their noses and so obvious?

Wow see, we actually agree. Why does the right want da guberment to have better border security? Its a da guberment solution to a da guberment problem. Thought they thought da guberment was corrupt or incompetent?


A better solution is to not provide benefit to illegals, or have bilingual documents. If you cannot read or write the native language its not a level playing field for someone. if private places find it economical so be it. Just stopping the subsidy makes far more sense than merely putting up a wall.
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Old 09-06-2016, 11:08 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Wow see, we actually agree. Why does the right want da guberment to have better border security? Its a da guberment solution to a da guberment problem. Thought they thought da guberment was corrupt or incompetent?


A better solution is to not provide benefit to illegals, or have bilingual documents. If you cannot read or write the native language its not a level playing field for someone. if private places find it economical so be it. Just stopping the subsidy makes far more sense than merely putting up a wall.
The guberments inept and dysfunctional approach to enforcement as well as complete disregard for cause and effect is exactly why we have a problem.
It is illegal to hire someone here illegally. But it is not illegal to hire someone you didn't know was here illegally.
The gang of 8 proposal which diverted massive funds for border security, drones, a path to citizenship, made mandatory E-verify something we would do at a later date.
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Old 09-06-2016, 11:16 AM
 
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Whenever the U.S. political system runs into a wall and begins to fall apart as it now is, a strong anti-immigrant sentiment is fostered by underhanded politicians. At the time of Lincoln's nomination for the presidency, those who drove the anti-immigrant frenzy were known as the "know-nothings" because they were a secret society, sworn to secrecy, and if asked whether they knew of or attended any anti-immigrant meetings, they were to reply "I know nothing about that".

Today they don't hide, but with the Republican Party on the verge of collapse, they are easily found.

This is an excellent analysis of this periodic phenomenon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGIqv8aMdPQ

To clarify, and correct your pigeon holing of the issues, it isn't "anti-immigrant", it's "anti ILLEGAL immigration". There is a world of difference, however, that doesn't make for an easily digestible sound bite in an attempt to sway voters. Living in south Texas, it's interesting, nearly all those that came to the U.S. legally, be they first or tenth generation, are all against illegal immigration. It's only those that are ideologues, or those easily swayed that buy into this nonsense.
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Old 09-06-2016, 05:02 PM
 
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A large portion of our border security problems are caused by the government's failure to enforce laws that we have against hiring illegals. Add to the laws to ban renting to illegals and the border problem crashes.

Why do righties fail to see what's under their noses and so obvious?

WTH, are you talking about? We righties have often mentioned the employers and their guilt in this and that the fact that our government isn't enforcing our immigration laws in general. Unless you have been living under a rock you would know this. Or is this this just another lame attack on conservatives?

Obama stopped the work place raids implemented under Bush so you were saying? He also gave millions of illegals a stay of deportation and instructed Homeland Security not to deport any illegals unless they are "convicted" criminals. Aren't you attacking the wrong party? When have they held the employers accountable?
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