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Old 09-12-2016, 09:38 PM
 
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Just showing how extreme people are who say there shouldn't be laws against killing actual babies.



Hillary takes money from governments that outlaw being gay and treat women as property. Nice vote.
there are laws against killing actual babies.
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Old 09-12-2016, 09:39 PM
 
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there are laws against killing actual babies.
Which some abortion extremists apparently don't like.
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Old 09-12-2016, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Who should decide which others are worthy of personhood?


Certainly not the same Supreme Court that gave us the Dred Scott decision.


The denial of personhood is a Constitutional end-around by which all other rights are denied.


The sole reason for a yet to be born child to be deemed a non-person, per Roe, for a matter of 4-5 months is to provide opportunity for abortion on demand during that period.


No fundamental changes occur to the physiology of this child following this 4-5 month period except that lung development reaches a point at which the child may survive outside the womb.


This as the sole criteria for making a child a person under the law with all the rights and privileges afforded to any other person or an item of biological refuse to be disposed of at will and is a classic example of a decision being made in advance and the facts and those facts then being made to fit the decision.


The inconsistencies of the non-person argument are too numerous and prevalent for anything else to be the case.


Logic indicates that this life which is biologically distinct from both the father and the mother becomes so at the moment of conception and at no other time between conception and natural death does any other biological metamorphosis of that sort take place.


In this we know where on body ends and another begins because the DNA of each person is unique.


How the Court managed to ignore this and other related biological facts betrays their true intentions from the start.


In the case of Scott, what a person was (African-American) determined their status as a person.


There was no compelling reason for this to be the case except that it was a matter of convenience for those wishing to deny an entire class of individuals their most fundamental rights.
You try to make the issue so complicated. If you woke up tomorrow with the ability to get pregnant, could we trust you not to make it too complicated to avoid indulging in sexual intercourse, unless you wanted to help take care of a baby?
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Old 09-12-2016, 09:44 PM
 
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Which some abortion extremists apparently don't like.
killing babies is infanticide and illegal.

most abortions happen in the first trimester, second trimester abortions are 10% of total of abortions and only 1% for late term. a woman's choice is hers to make.
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Old 09-12-2016, 09:45 PM
 
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killing babies is infanticide and illegal.

most abortions happen in the first trimester, second trimester abortions are 10% of total of abortions and only 1% for late term. a woman's choice is hers to make.
Doesn't take away the fact that they don't want restrictions against last trimester abortions are killing babies.
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Old 09-12-2016, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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As a member of our society my opinion does matter when you are talking about taking an innocent life. You might believe a mother has the right to go smother her premie asleep in the crib, but society says no.
Then do you quite strongly believe that a law must be passed requiring all pregnant women to give birth?
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Old 09-12-2016, 09:47 PM
 
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Doesn't take away the fact that they don't want restrictions against last trimester abortions are killing babies.
because we already have restrictions on late term abortions.
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Old 09-12-2016, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Just showing how extreme people are who say there shouldn't be laws against killing actual babies.



Hillary takes money from governments that outlaw being gay and treat women as property. Nice vote.
You are showing nothing of the kind, you are only making yourself look foolish.

No one is advocating killing babies.

Hillary did not take the money, the Clinton Foundation accepted the money to use to help others. {Why do you always have to misrepresent everything?}

What Is the Clinton Foundation and What Does It Do? | From the Trenches World Report

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Trump recently called the foundation, co-founded in 2002 by Hillary Clinton, Trump’s rival in the presidential contest, the “most corrupt enterprise in political history.” Yet he is listed on the foundation’s website among donors who’ve given it $100,000 to $250,000.
The foundation would not disclose when Trump made the donation, but Trump’s campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, confirmed it, telling CNN on Wednesday that the foundation “does a lot of good work.”

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But the foundation says it focuses on five key issue areas: improving global health; increasing opportunities for girls and women around the world; reducingchildhood obesity in the United States; creating economic opportunity and growth; and helping communities address the effects of climate change.

I suggest you read the whole article. The Clinton Foundation is nothing to be ashamed of, quite the opposite.


Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter. Two former Presidents who continue to work to help others.


Democrats.....gotta love em!
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Old 09-12-2016, 09:52 PM
 
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Then do you quite strongly believe that a law must be passed requiring all pregnant women to give birth?
I've already shared my views. Read them, do you think I'm extreme?

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I think there should be exceptions to bans on late term abortions.

I think there should be no restrictions on first trimester abortions.

Second trimester should have restrictions.

Third trimester should be heavily restrictive with few exceptions.

Your turn. Why do you think there should be restrictions in the third trimester?
Here is what I stated about this Ohio law.

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Banning first trimester abortions is a horrible idea.
Am I the extremist or the ones saying a mother should be able to kill a premie in the NICU?
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Old 09-12-2016, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Doesn't take away the fact that they don't want restrictions against last trimester abortions are killing babies.

I asked you this before but you didn't answer the question.


Can you show us one piece of proposed legislation by a pro-choice legislator that tried to make abortion on demand legal in the third trimester?
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