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Boris Johnson's most senior aide, Dominck Cummings - who many credit with being the one responsible for leading the Leave campaign to success in the 2016 Brexit Referendum - has stated today that Corbyn and the Remainers have missed their chance and that there is no longer time to stop Brexit before the deadline, even if no confidence vote is passed and a general election is called, because that vote would not occur until after the October 31 date.
MPS are too late to prevent a no-deal Brexit, Boris Johnson’s most senior aide has said. Dominic Cummings told ministers and officials that the Prime Minister will honour his October 31 pledge even if Jeremy Corbyn and pro-Remain Conservatives succeed in forcing a general election.
In a series of explosive briefings last week, Mr Cummings suggested that the Labour leader had missed his opportunity to secure an election before the UK’s intended departure date from the EU.
If Mr Johnson loses a no-confidence vote when the Commons returns in September, potentially leading to a general election, the Prime Minister would have the power to schedule to vote for after Halloween, Mr Cummings disclosed.
Someone is going to have to pull a rabbit out of a hat to stop this now. However that might be done, nobody is publicly discussing this method, to the best of my knowledge. It is just a vague, formless dream, or so it appears.
In the first byelection with Bortis as PM, the voters dropped the Tory and went for the Liberal Democrat instead. Interestingly, the Brexit Party appears to have split the vote a bit - I'm sure there's a thank you note to Farage in the mail.
I very much like the fact that the Monster Raving Loony Party - pardon, the Official Monster Raving Loony Party - outperformed the UKIP.
It doesn't matter, as I have already explained and what was even discussed on the television last night, is that Parliament doesn't meet again until the 3rd September and even if Parliament were to secure a vote of no confidence in the PM, the election weould not be until November, and the timetable would be very much down to the current PM.
So even in an election scenario, Britain will still have left the EU in a no deal.
As for the By-Election, a couple of points.
The by-election was called because the Tory MP had been found guilty of parliamentsary expenses fraud, so the Conservtives were at a disadvantage to start with.
Secondly the Tories would have won if 3,000 people hadn't decided to vote for the Brexit party, and after Britain leaves the EU there will be no further need for the Brexit Party.
Thirdly other parties didn't contest the seat in order to help the Lib Dems.
Fourthly By-Elections and Local Council Elections usually have results that are very different to the national picture and are often used as protest votes against the party in power.
Finally the current PM has secured a 10 point lead over the other parties, and Corbyn's Labour is in a mess, so the Tories will be very happy to go to the polls after the 31st October, and will no longer have the Brexit Party to deal with, indeed it's rumoured that they are doing a deal with the Brexit Party.
From what I heard Corbyn is an incompetent moron, who never actually tried to prevent a Brexit, unlike his official position.
Meanwhile the Pound keeps falling, making Brits poorer...
Maybe all anti-Brexit parties should add a new Brexit referendum to their party programs, a new referendum to be held on the very first weekend after the next general election. And the EU should be in on it as well, so that the Brexit will simply be canceled/undone and Britain restored to its former EU membership if the election results allow for a no-leave coalition and the referendum confirms Brits' rejection of the Brexit.
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From what I heard Corbyn is an incompetent moron, who never actually tried to prevent a Brexit, unlike his official position.
Meanwhile the Pound keeps falling, making Brits poorer...
Maybe all anti-Brexit parties should add a new Brexit referendum to their party programs, a new referendum to be held on the very first weekend after the next general election. And the EU should be in on it as well, so that the Brexit will simply be canceled/undone and Britain restored to its former EU membership if the election results allow for a no-leave coalition and the referendum confirms Brits' rejection of the Brexit.
Corbyn is from the hard left, and spent decades criticising the EU and wanting to leave.
The last Hard Left Labour Leader was Michael Foot in the early 1980's and it was Labour policy back then to leave the EU.
People in Britain including myself are fed up with Brexit and just want to leave.
Once we have left then we can negotiaye a trade deal with the EU.
If no trade deal is reached tthen there will be increased pressure for Britain to leave NATO and scrap European defence commitments, as you seriously can't expect us to continue to defend EU countries in such circumstances.
Corbyn is from the hard left, and spent decades criticising the EU and wanting to leave.
The last Hard Left Labour Leader was Michael Foot in the early 1980's and it was Labour policy back then to leave the EU.
People in Britain including myself are fed up with Brexit and just want to leave.
Once we have left then we can negotiaye a trade deal with the EU.
If no trade deal is reached tthen there will be increased pressure for Britain to leave NATO and scrap European defence commitments, as you seriously can't expect us to continue to defend EU countries in such circumstances.
Nato has nothing to do with it. It is a different topic.
But I would welcome Nato's falling apart, frankly...
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Nato has nothing to do with it. It is a different topic.
But I would welcome Nato's falling apart, frankly...
The UK's future relationship with Europe is very much part of Brexit.
There are 3 stages.
1. Leaving Terms - Brexit.
2. A Trade Deal.
3. Future relations with the EU in relation to collaboration and research, defence, security and numerous other areas.
Don't think for a minute that the British public are going to support being committed to the defence of EU countries if a deal can not be done or in the case of no compromise and no deal.
Perhaps if the EU can call on the Irish Army, Navy and Airforce to hekp save them from any potential Russian threat.
Britain can then just concentrate on it's Navy and it's own defence, and not have to commit to stopping Russuan tanks roling over Eastern Europe or the German plains, which is what we have done since the end of WW2.
Corbyn is from the hard left, and spent decades criticising the EU and wanting to leave.
The last Hard Left Labour Leader was Michael Foot in the early 1980's and it was Labour policy back then to leave the EU.
People in Britain including myself are fed up with Brexit and just want to leave.
Once we have left then we can negotiaye a trade deal with the EU.
If no trade deal is reached tthen there will be increased pressure for Britain to leave NATO and scrap European defence commitments, as you seriously can't expect us to continue to defend EU countries in such circumstances.
I hope you guys will not really want to leave NATO. There are still very strong reasons for maintaining that alliance. But it has been 70 years, so a serious renegotiation of NATO obligations and expectations is in order.
We are well into the 21st century now and things have changed since the end of WWII and the cold war with the Russians. While it strategically makes sense for the UK and the US to contribute to the maintenance of the NATO partnership, it does not make sense for our two countries to all but provide the defense for all of these other countries. They must pull their own weight. They can and they must.
That should be forced to occur, even if it has to happen with the other countries of NATO and the leftist mass media screaming hysterically like recently spanked schoolchildren. This cannot go on as it has been.
But NATO should go on, with both the US and the UK as participants.
Europe should leave Nato and finally create its own armed forces, which will be much easier once Britain is out. Without Nato, Russia will also become friendlier towards Europe.
Europe should leave Nato and finally create its own armed forces, which will be much easier once Britain is out. Without Nato, Russia will also become friendlier towards Europe.
So the mainland countries of Europe should, in effect, unilaterally disarm.
So the mainland countries of Europe should, in effect, unilaterally disarm.
Brilliant! What could go wrong?
Not at all, but the focus will be merely on defense. The problem with Nato is that it is an aggressive organization, which causes lots of tension with Russia and others. Thus Nato is much bigger than it should be.
Europe has a capable defense industry, there is no need for lots of soldiers unlike 100 years ago. It will mostly be tech. And it will be European tech Europeans will be paying for, not American imports. I.e. Europeans will pay more readily.
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