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I've lived in ultra liberal areas my whole life (some economically, some socially, some both) and still contend this whole "We're scared!" shtick is 99% media/SJW created poppycock.
There is a hidden agenda. Trump gets impeached then Pence is in charge like Republicans wanted.
actually the republican leadership wanted either jeb bush or marco rubio. mike pence is too conservative for them. and trump picked pence to help him negotiate with washington insiders and congress to get things done.
as for why so many on the left are upset, greywar is kind of right, but it really boils down to the fact that they were told there is no way that trump, and any republican for that matter, could beat hillary by a variety of sources, the vast majority of the media and nearly every poll taken.
so when election day rolled around, they all felt it was just a formality and that there was no way hillary could lose. the problem though is that hillary didnt get the voter turnout that obama did in 2012, i heard reports that she was down 6 million votes compared to what obama got in 2012.
and she had no energy in her campaign, to the point where she needed a number of celebrities to get the crowds out, and even then they were smaller than crowds that trump drew, WITHOUT celebrities. and it didnt help when the celebrities insulted the "little" people either.
in the end hillary and her constituency took the election for granted, and then were shocked when trump won because he spoke to the people and the peoples anger, and that was what resonated across the nation.
And some of the deplorables are adding to it. The KKK is LITERALLY having a victory parade tomorrow. Comments have been made in the workplace, and some of the Facebook comments from people are truly insane.
I can understand some of that part, because I came across a guy on Twitter once who either is trolling people, or he's a "real life" example of every negative stereotype about Trump supporters. (I still haven't figured out which)
But on the other hand, I've also had some of my Facebook friends who are of minority groups make comments/assumptions about white people (this being since the election) which I don't think are really helping things either.
Liberal, left, Democrats are "upset" because their worst nightmare has come true.
For years now they have been saying the Republican party was "dead" and that going forward it would be increasingly difficult for any GOP nominee to win the WH, this unless or until the party and or candidate changed ways. Then along comes Donald Trump.
This brash, bigoted, racist, misogynistic, uncouth, common and vulgar man of questionable business practices, and morally suspect personal life not only energized a base of support, but managed not only to knock out established/politically experienced GOP candidates out of the ring, but has beaten Hillary Clinton. Most distressing Trump won without CA, NY and much of the north east.
After long predicting the South would "flip" Democratic, it didn't happen. So now liberals must cope with the fact not only is the vast territory of the South and Mid-west they call "fly over states" not dead yet, but is still in the political game.
If successive GOP candidates for the WH can hold the states DT won, then it spells trouble for the DNC plans for nation domination. That has got to keep more than a few liberals up at night. The thought all they hold near, dear and have been preaching (or shoving down people's throats), will be repudiated and or voided is probably enough to make more than a few sit down and weep.
This is long. But its to help folks explain to others exactly why the protestors are out there, and why so many on Facebook are upset.
So. The riots have begun in some places, with large scale protests. Both California and Oregon appear to be placing succession on their ballots for next year-no joke. And many are sitting at their house saying “what is WRONG with these people?”. This is my attempt to explain. And yes its long.
The TLDR short version? Trump and Pence scare the heck out of them for very rational and factual reasons.
The answer is simple. They are paying attention to both history, and to their own perspectives which are different than yours. They live in liberal areas, and they have friends who are LGBTQ, or children that are. Some are low income, and dependent on the ACA which gave many of them insurance for the first time ever. They are a minority, or a legal immigrant to our country.
Where you see Trump talking about getting the corruption out, they are noticing that in addition to that he is spreading hatred. His speeches denigrate people, and his past actions speak to his personality. And they don’t hear the “Lets clean up Washington!”. They hear him talking about Mexican murderers. Everyone seems to be willing to ignore all the bad things because hey, he is good about this ONE specific thing I care about.
Here are some examples. During the debate Clinton brought up that "Donald started his career back in 1973 being sued by the Justice Department for racial discrimination because he would not rent apartments in one of his developments to African-Americans,". His response was "We settled the suit with zero -- with no admission of guilt. It was very easy to do.". And suddenly….there it is. The faceless corporate guy who did horribly racist things, but then settled for some insignificant sum, and was proud of getting away with no “responsibility”. And a little research can lead you to the torrid details. Suffice it to say, everyone of color who reads them is legit terrified of a racist taking over the white house.
LGBTQ? His choice of Pence for vice president legit terrifies these folks. They see that under a Trump presidency that the current protections they do have would be GONE. And Pence has repeatedly made clear that that is the goal.
Muslims? Do I REALLY need to say anything? This to them brings back memories of how the Jews were spoken of in early Germany. These folks aren’t blowing us up, they are our friends, coworkers, and neighbors.
Immigrants? Do I even need to explain this one? They just fled their homeland, and all of their friends because everyone was killing each other-or the terrorists won and drove them out, to arrive to….this. What the heck America? These people were being killed by our enemies.
Any woman who took the time to look into some of his opinions, and comments. Not things he was accused of, but things HE said, or placed on record.
Or my friend who found out she had cancer when she got on the ACA because that was the first time she could get checked? She beat it, but is terrified that with the loss of the ACA she will end up dead if it returns. Trumps “plan” would result in 20 million losing their insurance.
And those who are thinking of saying “He may have said THOSE things, but he didn’t really mean them”. I’m sorry, but he either is a liar who you should believe nothing of, or he is a horrifying danger to the above mentioned. Which one did you vote in? The person who lies so much you know NOTHING about him except his dishonesty, or the absolute terror to others?
So all of the above people are scared. They have REASON to be. But so are their parents, and their friends, and their co-workers. Oregon is a wonderful place, and here in Portland we are pretty accepting compared to most areas. So I know people from every single category above. They are my friends, my children, me, and my wife. And they are legit scared. They are buying guns, and ammunition.
And some of the deplorables are adding to it. The KKK is LITERALLY having a victory parade tomorrow. Comments have been made in the workplace, and some of the Facebook comments from people are truly insane.
And here’s the thing about the election. While everyone focused on the latest outrage from Trump, or the latest leaked email, many didn’t notice that every single group up there had reason to worry. Heck many in those groups didn’t know. And those who did, didn’t figure it was important because everyone was saying Trump was going to lose.
Which was fine….until he didn’t. Now some of these folks are talking. And whoa….holy crap this guys dangerous! Yeah. Ya think? So people are a little freaked out. And people filled with hate suddenly came out of the woodwork. And a LOT of us saw it personally, not just some friend or some hyped up news piece. Instead we’re sitting there going “What is wrong with people? Why did you think voting for this guy was a good idea?” I mean this is epic scary stuff.
Romney, McCain, Bush? Those were well meaning people who cared about others. Their politics were different, but they CARED. And none of these people think Trump cares. And his politics have been about going after the bad minorities.
But lets assume that you missed ALL of that above. Or that it was just glossed over as the cost of doing business because you don’t like those minorities anyways. Did you even READ his economic ideas? Massive spending increases, and massive tax cuts for the wealthiest. No really-lots of studies and research was done. This stuff matters. Everyone should take a couple college level classes in economics. His argument about tax cuts spurring growth is absolute nonsense. Even worse is that it was obvious nonsense, and yet was tried recently at the state level. Google “Kansas economic disaster” for the details. Sorry Kansas, but you know its true.
A hiring freeze in order to reduce the federal workforce. Welcome to corporate America redux. Do more with less people. And that staffing change will occur via shotgun. IE with no plan or understanding of the impact. And this is literally the solution of all too many large corporations when upper management is not competent enough to make good decisions. Come on, all of us in corporate have seen this.
Go read his 100 day contract with America on his website. Now remove everything that would require senate approval that they haven’t denied in the past. Uh huh. He probably will manage to gut the ACA, but good luck on the replacement part. Certainly won’t be covering any of the people losing their insurance. The ACA has literally saved tens of thousands of deaths from hospital acquired causes.
We’re not even talking about the people like my friend whose life was saved from cancer! You see the ACA did a LOT of things that aren’t talked about. Things that changed the standard of care, and the ability to co-ordinate better. I have no idea what the total is. And this is one of the things that he will replace with……what we had pre ACA, but now with more tax cuts! And this is one of the things he can manage.
To renegotiate the deal with Iran. That’s something he can do! Uh huh. And the 5-7 allies who signed this with us? Iran will laugh, restart their nuclear development, and hold out for a better deal…negotiated WITHOUT the US being involved. Because we will have made it clear we can’t be relied upon to negotiate in good faith.
Labeling China a currency manipulator and place tariffs on them. This is called a trade war. Is it a good idea? Normally I would have a mixed feeling on this. But his other plans lay out how insane this is. Cut taxes massively, spend massively, and at the same time be involved in trade war. Mind you-this is from HIS contract with America pledge from his website. NOTHING good will come out of this.
No Trump cannot magically make the steel jobs, and manufacturing jobs come back. Even if we replaced ALL of our steel output (far in excess of our needs), less then 10% of the workforce would be employed. The other 90% got automated away even in China. Manufacturing? We manufacture more now then ever before. None of those jobs are coming back, and even if we did, most would be done by current automation, never mind whats coming.
The clear political polarization of the FBI. Seriously. The FBI is one of our very powerful government agencies. This should terrify everyone. And right now BOTH sides are thinking the FBI has picked a side. This should never EVER have came to this. And it sounds like it came to this because members of the FBI picked sides and gave out information.
So. The minorities are scared, everyone who like them is scared, and anyone who looks at the above economic nightmare is scared…whats left?
This person has acted more immature then some 14 yr olds I know. And he will have nuclear codes. The one redeeming feature here is that he has repeatedly stated exactly how seriously he takes them. However, he does not have the calm under fire in my opinion that I want in a president. And that kinda worries me. It should worry everyone.
Still not scared because you aren’t part of one of the above groups? You don’t understand economics, haven’t seen the example of Kansas, or don’t believe that this person is that kind of threat?
That’s fine. Because that wasn’t my point. My point was that many (not all) of the people in these groups ARE scared. That’s the part they are seeing.
You? You either missed these things, thought they were liberal lies, or MSM nonsense. But for those of us researching this relentlessly, or who know all of the people in all of those groups, this mattered. We are upset. We really did not believe that so many of our friends, our family, and our coworkers could miss all of this, or would be willing to overlook it. I know I posted about this stuff occasionally. But when you vote, you need to understand who you are voting in, and WHAT they represent. Lets be honest, many of us (me included) think Hillary was a horrible choice for president. But the difference? She didn’t scare me. There was a LOT of fake stuff about her, or overhyped stuff. And weirdly a lot of really important stuff lost in all that noise. But none of it was scary, it was just…unsavory. And that’s why if she had won, there would have been only a few protests. Its because the losing side this time is scared. And nothing they are hearing is making them feel better. Especially not when so many of you think its funny. And when so many truly deplorable people have came out of the woodwork. This mattered, this was the most hate filled election in our time. And people are scared. For these people it wasn't about his anti-corruption promises, or his other promises.
I've lived in ultra liberal areas my whole life (some economically, some socially, some both) and still contend this whole "We're scared!" shtick is 99% media/SJW created poppycock.
The TLDR short version? Trump and Pence scare the heck out of them for very rational and factual reasons.
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And you think the Democrats' endless scapegoating and imposition of whites, mass immigration of Democrat voters and amnesty, muslim rapefugees and terrorist, forced integration and government picked neighbors of higher crime demographic, forced outcomes and affirmative action, higher taxes and more regulation, and more globalization doesn't concern the hell out of people?
Get a grip and get off the white Americans are worse than Hitler narrative.
And you think the Democrats' endless scapegoating and imposition of whites, mass immigration of Democrat voters and amnesty, muslim rapefugees and terrorist, forced integration and government picked neighbors of higher crime demographic, forced outcomes and affirmative action, higher taxes and more regulation, and more globalization doesn't concern the hell out of people?
Get a grip and get off the white Americans are worse than Hitler narrative.
Go read the full version. There is a difference between "Oh hey taxes suck", and "They mean to destroy all that I hold dear". And thats my point. These people have legitimate reasons to be afraid.
Go read the full version. There is a difference between "Oh hey taxes suck", and "They mean to destroy all that I hold dear". And thats my point. These people have legitimate reasons to be afraid.
Hillary was a globalist owned and backed by Wallstreet. Trump was the populist candidate. So not buying it at all.
The liberals do brainwash people to fear conservatives and whites. But anyone grounded in reality knows this is a ruse. The only thing to fear is liberal authoritarianism.
What is your beef with KS we are doing just fine here. You believe the lamestream media too much.
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