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View Poll Results: How important do you think is the issue of Climate Change?
Very important 80 31.62%
Somewhat important 27 10.67%
Not so important 30 11.86%
Unimportant 44 17.39%
The problem doesn't exist 70 27.67%
Other 2 0.79%
Voters: 253. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-18-2016, 10:28 AM
 
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This is all very normal.
Only if you believe in pseudo-science. The climate denier movement, funded and supported by the fossil fuel industry, does a great job of cherry-picking "facts" on websites to create an illusion of truthy-ness.

On the ground the climate deniers are slowly losing the battle. Opinion polls show that the number of people who believe that climate change is real, is manmade, and is a serious threat is growing.

Wildfires in Georgia and North Carolina, dried-up rivers in Connecticut -- in mid-November -- gets people's attention and they believe there is something to this global warming thing after all. As more and more extreme weather events occur people will increasingly abandon the climate denier point of view.
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Old 11-18-2016, 11:52 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Only if you believe in pseudo-science. The climate denier movement, funded and supported by the fossil fuel industry, does a great job of cherry-picking "facts" on websites to create an illusion of truthy-ness.
AGW/ACC (Anthropogenic Climate Change) is junk science. The IPCC "global warming/climate change" models were WRONG.

Proceed to your 'safe space', drink hot cocoa, color with crayons, play with play-doh, and get over it.
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Old 11-18-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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Only if you believe in pseudo-science. The climate denier movement, funded and supported by the fossil fuel industry, does a great job of cherry-picking "facts" on websites to create an illusion of truthy-ness.
Record, skip skip skip skip skip skip...


It really is amusing the cut and past talking points these people repeat. It is like their leader has died and they are just repeating the last message.

LOL
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Old 11-18-2016, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Not so important. I believe that air pollution is far more important than GW. Something can be done about that, while GW is nothing but snake oil being sold to the chicken little (snowflakes) herd.

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AGW/ACC (Anthropogenic Climate Change) is junk science. The IPCC "global warming/climate change" models were WRONG.

Proceed to your 'safe space', drink hot cocoa, color with crayons, play with play-doh, and get over it.
Perfectly stated!

Of the 90+ models only ONE is even close, and the rest have been completely wrong.

So much for money based science.

Last edited by steven_h; 11-18-2016 at 12:13 PM..
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Old 11-18-2016, 12:10 PM
 
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Quote: What importance do you place on the issue of Climate Change?

(Sigh...) Still not arrogant enough to believe the weather - or the glaciers - revolve around me.

Sorry. Not an issue for me.
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Old 11-18-2016, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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The North Pole is an insane 36 degrees warmer than normal as winter descends - The Washington Post, November 17th, 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.6eda74cd12ff
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Old 11-18-2016, 11:27 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I think that's enough. Your sources are trash. Let's get off of the propaganda here. Actually READ the articles you just throw at us (and obviously hoping something will stick) and do research on their sources.
Attacking the messengers but not the data is a good tactic - but not persuasive.
. . .
Consider the following -
- - - TEMPERATURE DATA - - -
Earth max : (134.33 F)
Space station max : (250 F)
Lunar surface max : ( 242.33 F)
- - - - - - - -
Which shows a higher temperature:
The bodies in a vacuum (no heat trapping greenhouse gases) or the planet supposedly trapping heat and threatening humanity?

This gent put it plainly : the atmosphere is COOLING the planet, not trapping heat.
https://wstannard.wordpress.com/the-...ouse-effect-2/
Coincidentally, the greenhouse gases have a higher emissivity that means they COOL the planet even more.


Last, but not least, can anyone state categorically what the IDEAL / GOAL climate IS?
And when did it exist?
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:03 AM
 
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As much as 44 billion tons of nitrogen and 850 billion tons of carbon stored in arctic permafrost, or frozen ground, could be released into the environment as the region begins to thaw over the next century as a result of a warmer planet, according to a new study led by the U.S. Geological Survey. This nitrogen and carbon are likely to impact ecosystems, the atmosphere, and water resources including rivers and lakes.

"This study quantifies the impact on Earth's two most important chemical cycles, carbon and nitrogen, from thawing of permafrost under future climate warming scenarios," said USGS Director Marcia McNutt. "While the permafrost of the polar latitudes may seem distant and disconnected from the daily activities of most of us, its potential to alter the planet's habitability when destabilized is very real."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1025145436.htm
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Old 11-19-2016, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
Attacking the messengers but not the data is a good tactic - but not persuasive.
. . .
Consider the following -
- - - TEMPERATURE DATA - - -
Earth max : (134.33 F)
Space station max : (250 F)
Lunar surface max : ( 242.33 F)
- - - - - - - -
Which shows a higher temperature:
The bodies in a vacuum (no heat trapping greenhouse gases) or the planet supposedly trapping heat and threatening humanity?

This gent put it plainly : the atmosphere is COOLING the planet, not trapping heat.
https://wstannard.wordpress.com/the-...ouse-effect-2/
Coincidentally, the greenhouse gases have a higher emissivity that means they COOL the planet even more.


Last, but not least, can anyone state categorically what the IDEAL / GOAL climate IS?
And when did it exist?
I don't waste my time trying to debunk sources that are known for propaganda. What the poster did was throw like 15 links out all with trash sources in the hopes of getting something to stick. No way am I going to debunk every single detail in every one of those links. It is a pretty common tactic among propagandists that I've seen plenty of times.

Establishing the sites and writers as nonsense is a perfectly valid and much more efficient way to discredit them.

In your link, did you read it? The guy is an undergraduate engineer who simply says that he is a skeptic because he doesn't understand it. This is clearly stated at the end of the article.
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Old 11-19-2016, 06:40 AM
 
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I don't waste my time trying to debunk sources that are known for propaganda.
Propaganda? That would be the IPCC. They've spread propaganda. Their "global warming/climate change" models were WRONG. It's junk science.
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