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View Poll Results: Should the US restrict immigration?
Yes, we can't let in everyone who wants to come here. 133 95.68%
No, everyone who wants to come here should be welcome. 6 4.32%
Voters: 139. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-17-2016, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Maybe the poll should have been more specific, asking: should the US enforce it's immigration laws
That does not get to the issue either. Should the US fully fund its enforcement of the immigration laws to the tune of 100s of billions of dollars? Will you pay a 5% income tax increase to cover the cost?

Now we may see some truth.
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Old 11-17-2016, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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That is the Feds saying hold this guy in jail even though you have no legitimate reason to do so. All they have to do is go to court, show probable cause, and get a warrant. They won't because they often cannot and don't want to expend the resource to do it.

Why would this be the city's problem?

How many citizens would be cut loose after doing what Sanchez did?

It IS a problem, and these cities policy makers are pandering for votes... NOTHING MORE!


THEY are to blame for all the murders just as much as the perps.



I've got an idea... make politicians and public servants responsible for their actions. Take down the protections they have given themselves which allow them to be as corrupt as they wish with no worries.
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Old 11-17-2016, 07:00 PM
 
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That is the Feds saying hold this guy in jail even though you have no legitimate reason to do so. All they have to do is go to court, show probable cause, and get a warrant. They won't because they often cannot and don't want to expend the resource to do it.

Why would this be the city's problem?
Really, no reason at all?

Here is the actual ICE detainer document. Please show me the box checked for "no legitimate reason".

If you can't find that, which box comes closest, because every box I see seems very legitimate.

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/secure-co...ainer-form.pdf
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Old 11-17-2016, 07:02 PM
 
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Absolutely yes!!! I am a legal immigrant & worked extra hard at my education & job to stay here. No special privileges or loopholes for me. If you want to come here & stay here then prove yourself. USA is like an Ivy League school. Only the best of the best who aligns with the values & culture should be admitted. You lost your edge in the world because you became too flexible & let just anybody in. Have a strict vetting process & rules. When you add several filters to any system, you control the quality of the final product. Its ok for an individual & a nation to have high standards.

Beautifully Spoken!
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Old 11-17-2016, 07:04 PM
 
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It will make a difference if Trump admin wants to enforce immigration law and Leftist obstruct on the basis they're argue here. It will basically legally allow immigration agents to go after both the criminal alien and local leftist officials who don't honor the warrant.
If this is true, Trump needs to order ICE to obtain warrants and the start arresting local officials that refuse them.

I just don't know the ramifications for an official who ignores a warrant.
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Old 11-17-2016, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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How many citizens would be cut loose after doing what Sanchez did?

It IS a problem, and these cities policy makers are pandering for votes... NOTHING MORE!


THEY are to blame for all the murders just as much as the perps.



I've got an idea... make politicians and public servants responsible for their actions. Take down the protections they have given themselves which allow them to be as corrupt as they wish with no worries.
You have some evidence this guy was treated any different than anyone elwe would have been? The normal SF criminal has no immigration hold. That is in a different sphere. I would sometimes think all these jails let people go to easily...then again we are finding here that a lot of people are held on phony evidence and blackmailed into pleading guilty. You think that the right way?

So kindly cite your source that this guy was treated different than the standard SF bum..
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Old 11-17-2016, 07:12 PM
 
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If this is true, Trump needs to order ICE to obtain warrants and the start arresting local officials that refuse them.

I just don't know the ramifications for an official who ignores a warrant.
I'm not sure of the details but if some Leftist sheriff intentionally released someone with a warrant they are breaking the law and subject to prosecution. I personally think sanctuary cities are doing just short of that now.
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Old 11-17-2016, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Really, no reason at all?

Here is the actual ICE detainer document. Please show me the box checked for "no legitimate reason".

If you can't find that, which box comes closest, because every box I see seems very legitimate.

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/secure-co...ainer-form.pdf
OK I read it. I see no cite of any CA law that would require compliance. Actually I don't see any Federal law that requires compliance. I see no offer of payment for the expense and I see no claim of probable cause for a crime. Basically a plea to do the less than legal because ICE wants you to.
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Old 11-17-2016, 07:20 PM
 
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There are two distinct and separate issues....1, immigration and 2, the Hispanic takeover of the US. The US is vastly different than when the framers created this Government " experiment " i.e. only "White" Men who owned land were allowed to vote. The 14th Amendment (ratified 1886) is irrelevant now and must be changed. Simply being born in the US is no longer a valid reason for Citizenship.
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Old 11-17-2016, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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There are two distinct and separate issues....1, immigration and 2, the Hispanic takeover of the US. The US is vastly different than when the framers created this Government " experiment " i.e. only "White" Men who owned land were allowed to vote. The 14th Amendment (ratified 1886) is irrelevant now and must be changed. Simply being born in the US is no longer a valid reason for Citizenship.
Of course it is. Because that is what the Constitution states. And I see absolutely no significant mandate to change it. So we will not.

Learn to live with it. It is and will remain the law of the land.

And while we are fixing the 14th we can get rid of the 19th and put the real voters back in charge...
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