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Old 06-12-2017, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Pixley
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Originally Posted by craigiri View Post
It's pretty clear that the Trump playbook is quite limited. He just repeats the same moves (denial, bullying, lies, firing) and it has worked so far.

If he lied 30 times about a simple book passage or similar, just consider how much he'd lie as POTUS.

I think 80% of what comes out of his mouth is untrue....or just made up (in which case, it could be true or not, but he doesn't know nor care).

In other words - he is a sick man. Even if you voted for him and love him there is no denying that deceit is one of his primary tools. Maybe you like deceit. All and well, but don't expect normal humans to like it at that percentage.
This the book where O'Brian said that Trump was not a billionaire, so Trump sued him. All Trump had to do was prove he had over $1 billion in assets. He could not prove it.

 
Old 06-12-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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Not at all.

There is no one of sane mind that can claim Hillary would not have appointed more experienced and proper staff and surrounded herself with people capable of the basics of the government.

She would not have to have her Speaker claim "she doesn't know politics, give her a break".

She would know how it all works...which is really the idea. Like it or not, the Government is a big machine and it's a big world also. Knowing how to handle the levers of power is important.

Sure, you can rant about Hillarys faults (all humans have many), but she knows how to fly the plane and is not going to be the laughing stock of the world while destroying our relationships with long time allies.
Who would she have appointed?

She would appoint government insiders that aren't concerned at all about a $20 trillion debt and unending war.
 
Old 06-12-2017, 10:31 AM
 
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This the book where O'Brian said that Trump was not a billionaire, so Trump sued him. All Trump had to do was prove he had over $1 billion in assets. He could not prove it.
He's a promoter, a hype-man.

He doesn't want people to know his true wealth, because that prevents him from selling whatever image he is wanting to advertise at that moment.
 
Old 06-12-2017, 10:41 AM
 
Location: NC
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And?

His lie about releasing his tax returns are more relevant.

I'm more concerned about his campaign promises and if he actually puts in an honest attempt to fulfill them.

One of the reasons I didn't vote for him is because I don't think he's an honest person.

Are you outraged because you believed him to be an honest individual?


No he said he was -not- going to release his tax returns while they were under audit on live tv during the debate with Hilary, she kept trying to argue that one can do it at the same time... maybe you can, who cares, he said he was -not- going to release them, get over it.
 
Old 06-12-2017, 10:57 AM
 
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Who would she have appointed?

She would appoint government insiders that aren't concerned at all about a $20 trillion debt and unending war.
you mean like Trump expanding our wars, and accelerating our debt while also killing healthcare insurance, passing a massive tax cut to make wealthy dems like me richer, in our rich blue coastal elite states...


hmmm, seems to me that You pedro like to give out about all sides and protest protest protest without ever offering solutions etc.
 
Old 06-12-2017, 11:06 AM
 
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Trump sued him for it.
and lost in 2011.
 
Old 06-12-2017, 11:09 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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Hillary's "cultist's" will believe her every lie. At least that's the tired phrase libs always spew
at Trump's supporters.
 
Old 06-12-2017, 11:14 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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They all lie. Tell us how trump lies are more egregious than an obama, bush, clinton, reagan, nixon, lbj, kennedy, truman, eisenhower, etc. lie?
Because he wins the Olympic orange medal for lying.
 
Old 06-12-2017, 12:00 PM
 
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They all lie. Tell us how trump lies are more egregious than an obama, bush, clinton, reagan, nixon, lbj, kennedy, truman, eisenhower, etc. lie?
I agree they have all had some untruthful statements. That said, they did not seem to be of the frequency or seriousness of our current President. He seems to relish, in a bellicose manner remarks that are untrue and very harmful to other people. His tweets are for the birds and are usually filled with untruths or part truths and are used for harmful diatribe.

If fact checks have any credence whatsoever we may consider this. Trumps remarks have been false or partly false over 50% of the time. This includes falsely taking credit for things he had little or nothing to do with.

The fact that others have not ALWAYS been truthful does not make me O.K. with a man/child pathological liar in charge. Surely we all must have a reasonable sense that that what comes from this source is correct---even when the truth hurts.
 
Old 06-12-2017, 02:16 PM
 
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Who would she have appointed?

She would appoint government insiders that aren't concerned at all about a $20 trillion debt and unending war.
Did you just mention the debt?

Wow, that is the first mention of it from a Trumpie since the election. Don doesn't plan to pay down the debt (any real plans) and his white supremacist base could care less. What they like most is that Trumps lack of civility gives them excuses to yell terrible things at people.

Seriously - Trump is planning for TAX CUTS. That is how you increase the debt - or, at best (Obama handed him a very decent economy) make it stay the same. Word is the the CR is going to increase the debt any day now and Trump will back it.

So let's finish with that one. Tax cuts created more debt - tax increases can help pay down debt. Hillary would certainly not lobby for doing away with taxes that are not enough (now) to pay the way. That's calld basic math.

Trump does - so he loses round one.

As far as War, Hillary might be a hawk but at least she is a relatively sane one. So far, Trump has put 1,000's of boots on the ground in Syria (and elsewhere) as well as continued every conflict underway. Add this to his lack of knowledge of world affairs, adding big $$$ (from debt) to the Military budget, etc.

Wanting Trumps finger on the nuke button is not something I think we need to debate.

So, even the "war" issue goes to Hillary. She would not appoint Exxon CEO for Sec. of State. She would not cuddle up to the Russians to the same degree.

I could go on, but if you consider Hillary a 50 (out of 100), Trump is a 10 or 15. You can hardly do worse than having a know-nothing who also happened to have poor advisors as well as potential mental problems.

IMHO, of course.

I'd rather have a pilot who was in the middle of his class and has low hours of flight...than one who, as Ryan says, "doesn't know hot to do it".
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