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Old 12-07-2016, 06:46 AM
 
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If you haven't heard yet, here is a snippet from a press conference speaking on the shooting of former football player Joe McKnight....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcJg-26PB_c


Is he serious? Firstly as we all know, had this been the other way around, McKnight would have been lucky to make it to a jail cell. All Sheriff Newell D. Normand's excuses for why he didn't arrest Gasser fall on death ears, because they are just that. He's trying to make it seem like had he arrested him, their case against him would have been weaker in court. Bullcrap! Gasser shot and killed a man over a road rage incident. McKnight had no gun. This is an open and shut case. Yet somehow the sheriff here feels like he had to let this man go so he could get the best case possible? These concessions would not have been made for Joe McKnight had it been the other way around. The guy who shot Will Smith, former defensive end for the Saints, was arrested just like that. The exact same situation, only difference was a black guy was the shooter.

By the way, this guy later on while answering a question, alluded to "black on black" crime. Making it appear black men are more dangerous. How dare this man! That pretty much showed us right there had it been the other way around, Mcknight would have been lucky to be arrested. The cops probably would have shot the man on scene. Yet Gasser can calmly hand his gun to police, and be released from custody after killing a man.

Ultimately, this sheriff has no right to criticize the black community at all. All our complaints are completely justified. All you have to do is read the statistics and confirm that quick fast in a hurry. All the comments toward the black elected official are also justified, because I sincerely doubt he has done anything for the black community. This is New Orleans we are talking about people. It is a leader in black poverty, and no one cares. Especially the black official and thus, deserve every vicious comment he received.
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:17 AM
 
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What I get from his speech is witnesses came forward immediately and were not credible. They claimed the shooter stood over the man and executed him, which was a lie.


Their strategy was to let the man go so more credible witnesses would come forward and give an account. This ultimately led to the arrest and charge of manslaughter.
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:23 AM
 
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If you haven't heard yet, here is a snippet from a press conference speaking on the shooting of former football player Joe McKnight....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcJg-26PB_c


Is he serious? Firstly as we all know, had this been the other way around, McKnight would have been lucky to make it to a jail cell. All Sheriff Newell D. Normand's excuses for why he didn't arrest Gasser fall on death ears, because they are just that. He's trying to make it seem like had he arrested him, their case against him would have been weaker in court. Bullcrap! Gasser shot and killed a man over a road rage incident. McKnight had no gun. This is an open and shut case. Yet somehow the sheriff here feels like he had to let this man go so he could get the best case possible? These concessions would not have been made for Joe McKnight had it been the other way around. The guy who shot Will Smith, former defensive end for the Saints, was arrested just like that. The exact same situation, only difference was a black guy was the shooter.

By the way, this guy later on while answering a question, alluded to "black on black" crime. Making it appear black men are more dangerous. How dare this man! That pretty much showed us right there had it been the other way around, Mcknight would have been lucky to be arrested. The cops probably would have shot the man on scene. Yet Gasser can calmly hand his gun to police, and be released from custody after killing a man.

Ultimately, this sheriff has no right to criticize the black community at all. All our complaints are completely justified. All you have to do is read the statistics and confirm that quick fast in a hurry. All the comments toward the black elected official are also justified, because I sincerely doubt he has done anything for the black community. This is New Orleans we are talking about people. It is a leader in black poverty, and no one cares. Especially the black official and thus, deserve every vicious comment he received.
Actually, that videos does make the black community look bad.. if jumping to conclusions is a good thing, then people would do it all the time... but its not and that's what the sheriff was talking about... along with civility...
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:37 AM
 
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Gasser shot and killed a man over a road rage incident. McKnight had no gun. .
The issue here is determining who is the aggressor, let's suppose McKnight just jumps out his car and is acting aggressively. If he gets shot chances are the shooter does not get charged. What is mitigating this is the shooters aggressive actions before that.

McKnight did have a gun in the car which is another factor here, the police would need to determine if that played a role. Based on the article I just read there is no evidence the shooter had any knowledge of the gun but this is something that needs to be determined before rushing off to judgement.

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This is an open and shut case.
Not really, the Ferguson case was open and shut if you wanted to listen to the so called witnesses being paraded across the screen for few days. Fortunately the physical evidence and reliable witnesses that came forward afterward which confirmed the story of Wilson as accurate.

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Yet somehow the sheriff here feels like he had to let this man go so he could get the best case possible?
This was someone who was cooperating with investigators including a 12 hour interview and letting them search his house. This is an investigators dream and his lawyers nightmare. This is what happened here, they played the role of his friend lying to him possibly even making overt racial comments if they felt he was racist. They extracted all the information from him they need to convict and he is now going to jail convicted by his own statements.


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By the way, this guy later on while answering a question, alluded to "black on black" crime. Making it appear black men are more dangerous. How dare this man!
The per capita murder rate in the New Orleans African community is astronomical.

https://nolacrimenews.com/2016/06/14...n-new-orleans/

That's crazy high numbers. If you are black man in NO you would literally be safer in Afghanistan getting shot at all day. That is not an exaggeration.
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:53 AM
 
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https://nolacrimenews.com/2016/06/14...n-new-orleans/

That's crazy high numbers. If you are black man in NO you would literally be safer in Afghanistan getting shot at all day. That is not an exaggeration.
Just to add if you want some perspective on these numbers 1 of every 315 black males between the ages of 25 to 29 in New Orleans were murdered.

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Old 12-07-2016, 08:02 AM
 
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If you haven't heard yet, here is a snippet from a press conference speaking on the shooting of former football player Joe McKnight....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcJg-26PB_c


Is he serious? Firstly as we all know, had this been the other way around, McKnight would have been lucky to make it to a jail cell. All Sheriff Newell D. Normand's excuses for why he didn't arrest Gasser fall on death ears, because they are just that. He's trying to make it seem like had he arrested him, their case against him would have been weaker in court. Bullcrap! Gasser shot and killed a man over a road rage incident. McKnight had no gun. This is an open and shut case. Yet somehow the sheriff here feels like he had to let this man go so he could get the best case possible? These concessions would not have been made for Joe McKnight had it been the other way around. The guy who shot Will Smith, former defensive end for the Saints, was arrested just like that. The exact same situation, only difference was a black guy was the shooter.

By the way, this guy later on while answering a question, alluded to "black on black" crime. Making it appear black men are more dangerous. How dare this man! That pretty much showed us right there had it been the other way around, Mcknight would have been lucky to be arrested. The cops probably would have shot the man on scene. Yet Gasser can calmly hand his gun to police, and be released from custody after killing a man.

Ultimately, this sheriff has no right to criticize the black community at all. All our complaints are completely justified. All you have to do is read the statistics and confirm that quick fast in a hurry. All the comments toward the black elected official are also justified, because I sincerely doubt he has done anything for the black community. This is New Orleans we are talking about people. It is a leader in black poverty, and no one cares. Especially the black official and thus, deserve every vicious comment he received.
He was pretending to be outraged on the behalf of other people. When the reality is he was outraged that people were questioning his job performance.

The message is always the same black Americans have no right to expect good performance from police or to be angry when someone gets murdered and they believe the police aren't doing their jobs.

Imagine if McKnight were a small white girl who was murdered by a man who had done something similiar in the past and that man was let go.

Would that cop being standing there in righteous anger at the criticism? Probably not. He'd be like I understand why people are angry. He'd be much more conciliatory.


But since the feeling is that black Americans should shut the heck up cause he went and spoke to the right black spokes people who defended him and how dare they....

It's all about black Americans not really being legit citizens in which he has to take criticism from those citizens.
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Old 12-07-2016, 08:06 AM
 
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Actually, that videos does make the black community look bad.. if jumping to conclusions is a good thing, then people would do it all the time... but its not and that's what the sheriff was talking about... along with civility...
What is the black community?

And how can it look bad?
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Old 12-07-2016, 08:23 AM
 
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Just wait until Gasser is found not guilty, and things will most likely get really bonkers.
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Old 12-07-2016, 08:28 AM
 
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Just wait until Gasser is found not guilty, and things will most likely get really bonkers.
From what I've seen so far we have to a-holes determined to cause as much mayhem until one if not both are dead.

From a philosophical standpoint it mirrors the Zimmerman-Martin case.
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Old 12-07-2016, 08:41 AM
 
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From what I've seen so far we have to a-holes determined to cause as much mayhem until one if not both are dead.

From a philosophical standpoint it mirrors the Zimmerman-Martin case.
I'm guessing Gasser is a total jackhole, but that doesn't change the law.

Here is the LA law for justifiable homocide.

https://www.legis.la.gov/legis/Law.aspx?d=78338

Look at 4a:

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(4)(a) When committed by a person lawfully inside a dwelling, a place of business, or a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40) when the conflict began, against a person who is attempting to make an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, or who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, and the person committing the homicide reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the entry or to compel the intruder to leave the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.

After reading section 4a of the LA justifiable homicide law (above), I think it will be nearly impossible to convict Gasser. (Keep in mind there is a difference between saying he is innocent and saying he can't be convicted).

From what has been reported by the news, it appears as though Gasser was in his vehicle with the window up. He fired all three rounds from inside the car through the window. McKnight was next to the window causing blood to enter the vehicle. McKnight is on video chasing after Gasser.

This information, assuming it is being properly reported by the media, points to a legally justifiable homocide according to LA law. This is most likely why he was not initially charged.
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