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Old 12-22-2016, 03:12 PM
 
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Yet houses keep getting bigger and cars fancier.

Not to mention technology has given young people things us old folks never had. My wife communicates with her family in the Philippines almost every day.

Those peoples grandfathers often sweated doing their jobs.

No income inequality exists among three men in a lifeboat at sea with no food and water.
Just because someone has a big house or a fancy car does not mean they are rich... in fact they could and many most likely have a negative net worth.
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Not saying I concur with Snuff but if you think the person making $50M is someone better/superior to the one making $5K (a notion widespread amongst the 1%) then there is nothing anyone can do you help you understand.
There is a pretty good chance he is. Luck has a role but other factors such as work ethic and intelligence do to. There is a positive correlation here.
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:16 PM
 
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Just because someone has a big house or a fancy car does not mean they are rich... in fact they could and many most likely have a negative net worth.
mmhmm. some fools get caught up in wanting to live above their means and they go broke doing it. The McMansion, new Lexus, country club membership, and private school tuition for the kiddies really adds up.

Those McMansions you pass by may be on on their second or third mortgages. Don't envy their owners; just pity them and learn from them.
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:17 PM
 
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People buy bottled water. Ain't no revolution happening.

Capitalism is often pretty crappy, but less crappy than any other system.

Big Pharm is a product of Big Government.
Venezuela is a good example.

But we can't pretend the issues here can be ignored. At some point someone will realize wine tastes better than water.

There really are people in America who would have better lives in Asia, and we have to confront what that means and where we go as a country from here.
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:19 PM
 
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There is a pretty good chance he is. Luck has a role but other factors such as work ethic and intelligence do to. There is a positive correlation here.
Ah, no. What he had over the other guy was access to capital. He levered his gain.

Notice if half the country doesn't have access to markets, then it's a problem for who wins and who loses.
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Just because someone has a big house or a fancy car does not mean they are rich... in fact they could and many most likely have a negative net worth.
I agree. I never had neither and am certainly richer than my coworkers who buy new cars every 4 years.

I do enjoy my Acura MDX which i bought with 90K miles and the F150 XLT crew I bought with 75K miles.
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:23 PM
 
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Nonsense. The ultra wealthy did work hard, but factors beyond their control led to the outsized gains.

Very few people work harder than the Mexican immigrants in the nation and very few are smarter than the folks who score perfect on SAT's.

Neither of the two groups dominate the top wealth lists.
Since when did busting your ass at manual labor or being very good academically translate into being wealthy?
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:26 PM
 
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Since when did busting your ass at manual labor or being very good academically translate into being wealthy?
It's in Genesis if I recall.

The point is hard work isn't enough. An ingredient, yes. But by far, far, far and away, super far and far away, the biggest factor in why someone is a billionaire or ends up with a making a lowly 85k is capital markets.

And as such to make sure we have something called fariness, you can't just make believe people are smarter or work harder. Luck and timing and Gov policy come into play.
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:27 PM
 
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Since when did busting your ass at manual labor or being very good academically translate into being wealthy?
There is a positive correlation even with manual labor. With manual labor it requires being self-employed or highly skilled.
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Houston
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It's in Genesis if I recall.

The point is hard work isn't enough. An ingredient, yes. But by far, far, far and away, super far and far away, the biggest factor in why someone is a billionaire or ends up with a making a lowly 85k is capital markets.
Capital markets will supply me with 2/3rds of my income in retirement. I started out as a manual laborer 40 years ago.
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