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Old 12-23-2016, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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Oh you will get the "it was an accident" excuse. It wasn't,it was an outright attack to try and blame it on another nation to get the US involved in the war. A sailor that was on the ship wrote a book explaining how Johnson tried covering the entire thing up with the help of Israel.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:28 PM
 
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Oh you will get the "it was an accident" excuse. It wasn't,it was an outright attack to try and blame it on another nation to get the US involved in the war. A sailor that was on the ship wrote a book explaining how Johnson tried covering the entire thing up with the help of Israel.

Exactly.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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A senior Israeli official had accused the United States of abandoning the Jewish state with its refusal to block the resolution with a veto.
Yes that is why we are sending them F35 Jets. We have always supported Israel, every president has requested they stop the settlements for the last 40 years but as usual they ignore.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:29 PM
 
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Ok, so the left wants us in the dark not knowing what they're up to or when the next attack is coming at us. Ok Got it.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:32 PM
 
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We have always supported Israel, every president has requested they stop the settlements for the last 40 years but as usual they ignore.
Yea, first it was the Gaza strip and that wasn't good enough, they wanted more land. You do realize that the only way they'll be happy is if Israel didn't exist.

In 2005, Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinians and relinquishing strategically vital territory. Rather than getting peace in return, Israel got terror: Hamas control of Gaza, Qassam rockets raining down on southern Israel, and the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit.

The Gaza experience proves that "land for peace" doesn't work.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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In the field of military intelligence Israel is arguably the world's leading expert in collecting intelligence on terrorist groups and in counter-terrorism. It provides intelligence and know-how to the U.S. According to Maj. Gen. George J. Keegan Jr., former head of U.S. Air Force intelligence, America's military defense capability "owes more to the Israeli intelligence input than it does to any single source of intelligence," the worth of which input, he estimated, exceeds "five CIAs.
Israeli intelligence recommended that we invade Iraq and Iran back in 2003.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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In contrast, the problems the U.S. faces in the Persian Gulf today comes from the fact that it does not have an Israel equivalent there. Absent a strong, loyal, and dependable ally in the region, the U.S. has had to deploy, redeploy, and redeploy again, at a cost that easily exceeds a trillion dollars.

From Lyndon Johnson on, most have come to see that US support for Israel has been the most cost-effective national security investment for America since World War II .
What intelligence did Israel provide, where has it made a difference, Iraq??
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yea, first it was the Gaza strip and that wasn't good enough, they wanted more land. You do realize that the only way they'll be happy is if Israel didn't exist.

In 2005, Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinians and relinquishing strategically vital territory. Rather than getting peace in return, Israel got terror: Hamas control of Gaza, Qassam rockets raining down on southern Israel, and the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit.

The Gaza experience proves that "land for peace" doesn't work.
Israel has made accommodation but what does continuously building in the west bank accomplish particularly when every US president has opposed their actions, is this a path to peace or just revenge. Yes there are some bad people in Palestine, this should be a great recruitment tool. It doesn't solve the problem, it makes it worse.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:55 PM
 
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Putin approves. He's on the same page with Obama here.
Read this, you'll learn why.

During the Cold War, the Soviet Union posed a real threat to the U.S. during the Cold War, and in the Middle East, the Soviets armed radical Arab states and the PLO, helping to fuel instability that would hurt American interests. Israel repeatedly demonstrated the superiority of American weaponry in war after war, discrediting the Soviet’s weaponry and training.

Observers believe Israel’s role played a key factor in eroding the stature of the USSR and the decision of Arab states. One way Israel aided the U.S. was to allow Americans to scrutinize state-of-the-art Soviet technology, whose value to American security in the Cold War was priceless.

Among those weapons were an Iraqi MiG-21 (whose pilot defected to Israel in a complicated undercover operation in 1966), a fully operational Russian-made ground-to-air missile system captured in the 1967 Six-Day War (contributed greatly to protecting American pilots during the Vietnam War).

The U.S.-Israel Special Relationship

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Old 12-23-2016, 10:00 PM
 
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Israel has made accommodation but what does continuously building in the west bank accomplish particularly when every US president has opposed their actions, is this a path to peace or just revenge. Yes there are some bad people in Palestine, this should be a great recruitment tool. It doesn't solve the problem, it makes it worse.
Everything Obama has done has been a failure and you still trust his instincts? If you think for one minute appeasement is going to work you're brain is out to lunch
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