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Old 01-05-2017, 07:40 AM
 
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It is more like 50 million if you count their illegal offspring born here who are also illegal.
Oh I agree. The "official" estimate is 12-15 million but I'm sure it is much more.
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Old 01-05-2017, 07:44 AM
 
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Then why are an estimated half million Mexican citizens fleeing Mexico every year and entering the US illegally. There are an estimated 12-15 million illegals living in the US now and that is probably underestimated.
Easy to answer.


In mexico you cna purchase a 3 room + 1 bathroom + livingroom + Dining room + Kitchen Apartment made of Concrete by 23,000 USD, but average salary in Mexico is about 500 USD per month. though you can send your kids to University Tuittion Free, some people want to live with higher standards with more money to spend, we Call it Exchange Rate. Dollar to Peso. this creates the differenciation between making things in USA and in Mexico. And mexicans go there to US and work fewer hours and get more money to spend here in Mexico.


This Tremendous difference of Exchange rate is made because US Trasnational here take their profits in USD not in Pesos that creates a tremendous devaluation of our currency.
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Old 01-05-2017, 07:50 AM
 
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This is proposed, article didn't state what type of support this is getting. It could be a huge majority or a tiny renegade faction.

My humble guess, no way Mexico can allow this to happen. Imagine the shock wave it would do economically for them. No company would gamble going into Mexico.
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:17 AM
 
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Easy to answer.


In mexico you cna purchase a 3 room + 1 bathroom + livingroom + Dining room + Kitchen Apartment made of Concrete by 23,000 USD, but average salary in Mexico is about 500 USD per month. though you can send your kids to University Tuittion Free, some people want to live with higher standards with more money to spend, we Call it Exchange Rate. Dollar to Peso. this creates the differenciation between making things in USA and in Mexico. And mexicans go there to US and work fewer hours and get more money to spend here in Mexico.


This Tremendous difference of Exchange rate is made because US Trasnational here take their profits in USD not in Pesos that creates a tremendous devaluation of our currency.
Right so Mexico does need the US to financially support its people.
And Mexico believes cutting off these illegally gotten incomes is aggression. Does Mexico allow these remittances by illegal Guatemalan to Guatemala?

And BTW you can not blame the US for the devaluation of the peso. The problems arose due to financial decisions made by Mexico.
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:27 AM
 
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Right so Mexico does need the US to financially support its people.
And Mexico believes cutting off these illegally gotten incomes is aggression. Does Mexico allow these remittances by illegal Guatemalan to Guatemala?

And BTW you can not blame the US for the devaluation of the peso. The problems arose due to financial decisions made by Mexico.


No, in fact what we need is US transationals in Mexico to leave. We don't ned dollars for our internal market, but the market share of Trasnationlas does, so w rather need transnational to leave.


Before NAFTA mexican market had higher incomes tan aftr Nafta. and American Trasnational were quite regulated, if Trump moves towards a Protectionist economy, we will do the same, and will nationalize assets.
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:35 AM
 
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I agree. Guarding the border , monitoring transactions is a pretty crappy solution. I don't even really care if Mexicans come here to work. In fact I'd be fine if they came here , worked and paid their own way. However they receive social benefits , and show up to our emergency rooms free ESL course and all that crap. . They don't pay SS withholding , taxes or sign up for the draft. That is the problem with socialism. Can't have open borders with it. Trump is simply better than socialism with no border. Its socialism with a border, and better than nothing at all.

Coming here illegally though is unacceptable because the employers hire them for less than a fair wage which causes Americans to lose their jobs to them or reduces their wages. Mexicans also send billions out of our country not spent in our economy. Some do pay payroll taxes with a fake or stolen ID (felonies) and many work for cash. Illegal aliens cannot join our military nor should they be able to.


Here's another interesting tid-bit.


Tax Credits for Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org
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Old 01-05-2017, 04:18 PM
 
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Mexicans are Free to Move wherever they want in their country, if 12 million mexican want to live along side the border with USa we are Free to do it. Freedom of Movement is a Warranty for Mexican Citizens in Mexican territory.


Cartel are not a problem just this side of the Border, the problem is in both Sides of the Border, Would you mind to explain me Why in USA all drugs which crosses the border by tunnels under the Wall in San Diego is almost immediatly consumed by the Market of American Drug Addicts?


You want us to stop a Merchandize which is not sell internally but set to exportation, and even more, seems to me that the problem is not that this merchandize is made of Drugs, but the problem is that it is not produced in USA. Sincé California, Colorado and other states have legalized the recreative consumption of Marijuana. Thus the Problem is not drugs but MARKET SHARE.
Uh; MOST of LatAm's drugs are now going to other places, bypassing the US since our drug enforcement's putting the hurt on Mexico's drug cartels.
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Old 01-05-2017, 04:21 PM
 
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Easy to answer.


In mexico you cna purchase a 3 room + 1 bathroom + livingroom + Dining room + Kitchen Apartment made of Concrete by 23,000 USD, but average salary in Mexico is about 500 USD per month. though you can send your kids to University Tuittion Free, some people want to live with higher standards with more money to spend, we Call it Exchange Rate. Dollar to Peso. this creates the differenciation between making things in USA and in Mexico. And mexicans go there to US and work fewer hours and get more money to spend here in Mexico.


This Tremendous difference of Exchange rate is made because US Trasnational here take their profits in USD not in Pesos that creates a tremendous devaluation of our currency.
Then either your rich people are forced to pay their fair share of taxes or; Mexico may have another revolution.

Tho with Mexico's birthrate's just over 2 kids per woman; that SHOULD start forcing wages UP there. But; word is your country's now having real problems with illegal aliens from further down in LatAm which is hurting your poorest and darker skin people the most.
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Old 01-05-2017, 06:45 PM
 
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I agree. Guarding the border , monitoring transactions is a pretty crappy solution. I don't even really care if Mexicans come here to work. In fact I'd be fine if they came here , worked and paid their own way. However they receive social benefits , and show up to our emergency rooms free ESL course and all that crap. . They don't pay SS withholding , taxes or sign up for the draft. That is the problem with socialism. Can't have open borders with it. Trump is simply better than socialism with no border. Its socialism with a border, and better than nothing at all.
The illiegals also commit identity theft in huge numbers. Social security numbers are obtained illegally from American citizens and then used to create fake SS cards and documents for employment purposes. Not all illegals are paid under the table. One million Americans have become victims of this. E-Verify the program that Trump wants to use on all employment hiring would eliminate this problem. But the democrats killed the bill that would have made it mandatory.
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Old 01-05-2017, 06:56 PM
 
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Then either your rich people are forced to pay their fair share of taxes or; Mexico may have another revolution.

Tho with Mexico's birthrate's just over 2 kids per woman; that SHOULD start forcing wages UP there. But; word is your country's now having real problems with illegal aliens from further down in LatAm which is hurting your poorest and darker skin people the most.
The official unemployment rate in Mexico is very low. Reality is if someone is selling a few tamales a week to make extra money they are considered employed. There are still lots of people willing to work for $100 a week or less. NAFTA was suppose to push Mexican wages way up.

As far as the Central American illegals go, part of why Mexico is against the wall and tougher immigration standards is because they want the Central Americans to pass right through Mexico to the USA. Last thing they want to do is take care of these people. Mexico has a horrible reputation in the treatment of Central American illegals.
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