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Old 01-17-2017, 02:47 PM
 
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Wow... I don't know what to say... I can't believe Obama pardon a disgraced dishonorable crook... can Obama sink any lower? Hopefully Trump will pardon Assange as payback...
Payback? He should pardon him as the right thing to do.
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Old 01-17-2017, 02:48 PM
 
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Now he should pardon Edward Snowden.
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Old 01-17-2017, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Florida
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They're traitors to me. In fact, I think Manning's was worse because he gave away names of informants, and who knows how many were killed as a result.
Apparently Assange had agreed to surrender if Manning was released. That might be a fair trade.
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Old 01-17-2017, 02:49 PM
 
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Now he should pardon Edward Snowden.

Snowdon needs to be executed.
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Old 01-17-2017, 02:49 PM
 
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I'm actually glad Obama did this as Manning and her sex surgeries would cost the tax payers a fortune and now she can pay for it herself or being stuck in the body how it is.


Oh I shouldn't be too sure about that.


If entitled to military healthcare Obama and current head of armed services long ago authorized sex change surgery/gender reassignment treatment for veterans.


Failing that Obama also removed restrictions for Medicaid and IIRC Medicare to pay for gender reassignment/sex change surgery.


Either way Manning can still qualify for sex change surgery/treatment on tax payer's dime. Heck the NYT ran a story last year of a convicted felon who is HIV positive that packed up and moved to NYC in order to get subsidized housing, and Medicaid paid gender reassignment treatment including sex change surgery. If Manning cannot get SRS locally can move to NYC and am sure can go the same route.
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Old 01-17-2017, 02:55 PM
 
Location: USA
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I would not have done that.

Manning and Snowden heroes to many Trump supporters, but they are traitors to most people.
Apparently Obama likes freeing Traitors? At least this time he didnt trade them for Terrorists as in the case of Bergdahl.
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Old 01-17-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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I think this was the right thing to do. Of course, military worshippers will disagree. I think she spent enough time in a cage and is not a danger to the public.

Disclaimer: I voted for trump and was never a big fan of Obama but be did the right thing here.
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Old 01-17-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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Honestly I don't know why Obama did this. Probably personal. He probably thought the sentence was excessive. Obama is a real liberal not one "in name only" like Hillary.

Or maybe he did it to get back at the Clintons. I don't think the Clintons and the Obamas get along. Obama has basically blamed her for running such a scrappy presidential campaign.



I've told you, the Obamas have been very supportive of trans equality, they once attended a concert given by a trans violinist for example. As POTUS Obama appointed one or more trans to posts within his administration; though he was careful to select places that didn't require senate approval.


Ever since Bradley Manning "came out" as trans there has been a surge of sympathy that despite what was done leaving him in prison for entire sentence would be like condemning him to death. More so after the suicide attempts.


If Obama left Manning in prison things would fall to Donald Trump and his military administration to sort out. While the current chief of military has been very pro trans, there is no telling what will happen afterwards.
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Old 01-17-2017, 02:58 PM
 
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Now he should pardon Edward Snowden.

Won't happen:


"White Press Secretary Josh Earnest admitted Manning leaked cables that were “damaging to national security.” Manning’s clemency application maintained her belief that she was unfairly sentenced to such a long period in prison saying, “I have never made any excuses for what I did. I pleaded guilty without the protection of a plea agreement because I believed the military justice system would understand my motivation for the disclosure and sentence me fairly. I was wrong.”


“Chelsea Manning is somebody who went through the military criminal justice process, was exposed to due process, was found guilty, was sentenced for her crimes, and she acknowledged wrongdoing,” said Earnest. “Mr. Snowden fled into the arms of an adversary, and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy.”


Obama Will Let Chelsea Manning Out Of Prison 28 Years Early | The Daily Caller
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Old 01-17-2017, 03:00 PM
 
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"White Press Secretary Josh Earnest admitted Manning leaked cables that were “damaging to national security.” Manning’s clemency application maintained her belief that she was unfairly sentenced to such a long period in prison saying, “I have never made any excuses for what I did. I pleaded guilty without the protection of a plea agreement because I believed the military justice system would understand my motivation for the disclosure and sentence me fairly. I was wrong.”
While I agree with Obama giving clemency to Manning, I also agree that he probably won't pardon Snowden. Why? Simply because he made a fool of Obama on the world stage. For Obama it's personal.
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