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It started with Robert Bork, and Borking. It started that is with Democrats politicizing the nomination process for judges. When Obama lost his super majority in the Senate, he still desperately wanted to pack the DC court of appeals (a sort of just under the Supreme Court appeals court for many matters of national interest). The Democrats in the Senate went nuclear, lead by Harry Reid, and got rid of 60 votes needed to pass a nominee for the judiciary or cabinet. Only the Supreme Court required 60 votes, as Obama had no need to change the rules at that time (no vacancy). Reid indicated he would go nuclear on the Supreme Court if needed at a later time.
Thus Democrats will go nuclear given the chance on future Supreme Court nominees. At the same time, Republicans are getting tired of being punching bags. Senators who voted for the Trump nominee in 2006, including Obama, Clinton, and many current senators, are now opposed to him.
Democrats can't stop the current movement, and will get steam rolled by it. Democrats cry out for majority rule ... be careful what you wish for ... a majority rule Senate may be around the corner and it won't be pretty.
I don't believe in letting the Democrats be the first in breaking decorum anymore... the GOP needs to step up and do the job... nuclear on EVERYTHING.. that should make all liberals crap their pants...
I don't believe in letting the Democrats be the first in breaking decorum anymore... the GOP needs to step up and do the job... nuclear on EVERYTHING.. that should make all liberals crap their pants...
Yes, they need to do the job, now that they can.......
We've seen this in the past, and even ongoing now. The Dems make it obvious they will take no quarter.
Republicans should take the same position, while they can. Failure to do so in the past has achieved exactly what for the Republicans, and by extension the nation?
The Republicans won, The dems need to get to the back of the bus, as per their own doctrine.
It started with Robert Bork, and Borking. It started that is with Democrats politicizing the nomination process for judges. When Obama lost his super majority in the Senate, he still desperately wanted to pack the DC court of appeals (a sort of just under the Supreme Court appeals court for many matters of national interest). The Democrats in the Senate went nuclear, lead by Harry Reid, and got rid of 60 votes needed to pass a nominee for the judiciary or cabinet. Only the Supreme Court required 60 votes, as Obama had no need to change the rules at that time (no vacancy). Reid indicated he would go nuclear on the Supreme Court if needed at a later time.
Thus Democrats will go nuclear given the chance on future Supreme Court nominees. At the same time, Republicans are getting tired of being punching bags. Senators who voted for the Trump nominee in 2006, including Obama, Clinton, and many current senators, are now opposed to him.
Democrats can't stop the current movement, and will get steam rolled by it. Democrats cry out for majority rule ... be careful what you wish for ... a majority rule Senate may be around the corner and it won't be pretty.
Your version of history is interesting. This was a nominee for Obama. As you recall, it was the Republicans who refused to hold a hearing on Obama's nominee. It was they who politicized it. In fact, they totally obstructed teh Dems for eight solid years, something the Dems have never done.
Bork was way before Obama. Bork was a political appointee. He was unqualified because of several things. You can read up on things he's said and written over the years...then watch the hearing on his confirmation. His anger, his red face, his inappropriate comments, his lashing out. He was an old, angry, bad man.
Temperament is important. All nominees will have the education and experience, usually. Being a Justice requires more than that.
The country is lucky that Bork wasn't confirmed. Unfortunately, we got stuck with Clarence Thomas, who is a goof off and ineffectual, although he does usually sign on to someone else's opinion. He should not have been confirmed, but the Dems caved and confirmed him.
But corporations are not people. They exist for the sole purpose of making a profit. They hold no national obligations and answer to no one but those who require them to. They don't have souls or consciences. If they have to destroy the environment to make a dollar, they will do so, because that's why they exist: to make a profit. If they cease to make a profit, they cease to exist. So, they are not people.
That was a gimmick so that corporations could dump huge amounts into elections and "buy" the elections, wihtout accounting for the money they used to buy the elections.
That spiel that Trump gave about being for the "common man"? He pulled a fast one. He is for corporations...his own ilk. The "little people" are so easily fooled by carnival con artists. Exhibit A: If his S Ct nominee supports the notion that corporations are people.
Your version of history is interesting. This was a nominee for Obama. As you recall, it was the Republicans who refused to hold a hearing on Obama's nominee. It was they who politicized it. In fact, they totally obstructed teh Dems for eight solid years, something the Dems have never done.
Senator Schumer indicated he wouldn't allow any Bush nomination for the Supreme Court to get a hearing during the last 18 months of his Presidency. Reid indicated the Democrats would go nuclear if Obama needed to get a Supreme Court through when they had a majority.
After primaries start, no Presidential nominee to the Supreme Court has been approved in about 80 years. Modern history indicates no appointment to the Supreme Court will succeed after primaries begin for President. This is as it should be, Obama was a lame duck. One day in 7 years Trump will be as well, and the Senate should wait until the people pick the next President.
Senator Schumer indicated he wouldn't allow any Bush nomination for the Supreme Court to get a hearing during the last 18 months of his Presidency. Reid indicated the Democrats would go nuclear if Obama needed to get a Supreme Court through when they had a majority.
After primaries start, no Presidential nominee to the Supreme Court has been approved in about 80 years. Modern history indicates no appointment to the Supreme Court will succeed after primaries begin for President. This is as it should be, Obama was a lame duck. One day in 7 years Trump will be as well, and the Senate should wait until the people pick the next President.
Inconvenient truth?
Go nuclear now and regret it later. That's how it works.
Gorsuch will be confirmed either way, but if they want to change the rule, then they can go right ahead. That'll make them look good in the eyes of their base.
Senator Schumer indicated he wouldn't allow any Bush nomination for the Supreme Court to get a hearing during the last 18 months of his Presidency. Reid indicated the Democrats would go nuclear if Obama needed to get a Supreme Court through when they had a majority.
After primaries start, no Presidential nominee to the Supreme Court has been approved in about 80 years. Modern history indicates no appointment to the Supreme Court will succeed after primaries begin for President. This is as it should be, Obama was a lame duck. One day in 7 years Trump will be as well, and the Senate should wait until the people pick the next President.
Inconvenient truth?
Biased much, your only view on this is just bit one sided. First of all threatening to do something and actually following through on this are two different things.
If the democrats use of the nuclear option was so successful at stacking the courts then why do we have 100 federal court vacancies along with some cabinets.
The GOP filibustered the NLRB essentially blocking Obama from making recess appointments so they could retain power, but this came to a head with the DC Circuit court of Appeals where the republicans had a large advantage but didn't want to lose their majority due to several conservative justices retiring.
They didn't want to lose power in either case so they just filibustered Obama's appointments just so they could retain power. Really not much different with the supreme court, they just didn't want to cede power although they have had an advantage in all these courts going back to Bush. Yes the democrats did the same under GW Bush but the republicans really took it to an entire new level under Obama rendering many of the courts dysfunctional so they could retain power, not only the courts but many of the cabinet appointees.
By the way no supreme court seat has gone vacant for 9 months, I never heard of congress denying a president a SC Justice except one that was nominated in December after the election.
We need to get rid of guidelines , tradition, custom etc and have a rules based system that does not rely of people playing nice together.
The GOP obstructed the DEMs since 2010ish. They lied, broke long standing customs of balance and fair play and they did so because they did not expect to win for a long long time...
Instead they got lucky and won and now find themselves positioned to either return to traditional values or to rule with no compromise. The thing is by controlling all branches they now own everything they do , I say let them control it all, don't take a "token" to spread the blame, let them choke on it.
We are a 6-18 months from a major correction and we are 20 months from an election. Let the GOP duck it up, let them do exactly what they are planning but make sure they do it fast so that the impact is felt by election time.
As soon as people feel that ACA being ripped away, as soon as their kids start complaining about how hot or cold their defunded public school is , as soon as customers start to get their newly increased "trumpised" cable bills they will start to wake up and see the GOP exactly as it really is.
TRump has put a bunch of billionaire plutocrats and corporation shills into his cabinet. 6 Goldman Sachs ex employees right in the center of his people and still the Trumpers , alt-rights, GOPs are pretending this is what they voted for.
Frankly I am delighted to see the right is getting screwed just as much as the left. It is ducking hilarious, you insisted TRUMP was a good guy and before the ink was dry he was installing people vastly worse than those he was replacing.
Go nuclear now and regret it later. That's how it works.
Just ask Harry Reid.
Reid did it, and announced his intention as did Schumer. Going nuclear on a Supreme Court nominee will occur, only question is will the Republicans or Democrats do it first. Democrats have been clear they will go nuclear on Supreme Court nominees. The deed is done as far as the Democrats are concerned. Only question is will the Republicans take action, or wait to be stomped by Democrats in the future. In the past Republicans have been civil, Democrats savage. Maybe it's time Republicans stopped being so nice to those who ruthlessly attack them.
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