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Old 02-06-2017, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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The appellate court decision would only stand if the SCOTUS ruling is a 4-4 tie.
That's correct, and that possibility is what I was basing my statement on sorry if I wasn't clear about that.
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Old 02-06-2017, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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I love how everyone is suddenly a constitutional law scholar.
We are not discussing the Constitution. We are discussing the United States Code, specifically 8 USC 1182, which states (in part):

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.


It doesn't seem to require a Juris Doctor Degree to understand what that portion of the Code means. It seems very clear, written in plain English instead of legalese, and it has been on the books since 1952!
Anyone who disagrees with the clarity of the first sentence of that paragraph, please explain, in detail, exactly where your disagreement is.
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Old 02-06-2017, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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We are not discussing the Constitution. We are discussing the United States Code, specifically 8 USC 1182, which states (in part):

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.


It doesn't seem to require a Juris Doctor Degree to understand what that portion of the Code means. It seems very clear, written in plain English instead of legalese, and it has been on the books since 1952!
Anyone who disagrees with the clarity of the first sentence of that paragraph, please explain, in detail, exactly where your disagreement is.
I find it remarkable that a Federal Judge doesn't understand this, judges are suppose to enforce the laws not change them.

Immigration into the United States is a privilege not a right, there are immigration laws and they can be found in the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952. Public law 414, Chapter 2, Sec. 212 gives clear guidelines on who can enter the Unites States and who can not.

Maybe it's about time that this country starts enforcing the laws it already has, every other country enforces theirs. We have gone 16 years now without enforcing these laws and now that we have a administration that takes these law serious people are complaining.
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Old 02-06-2017, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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In case you forgot.... https://www.usa.gov/become-us-citizen
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Old 02-06-2017, 10:54 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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We have a horrifyingly under-educated populace, thanks to our country's joke of a public school system. I've posted the stats in this thread, this post:

//www.city-data.com/forum/47089611-post41.html

That said, I had to correct a lefty on this forum who thought that those who have Green Cards are US citizens, when of course, they're not.

And more than one lefty has insisted that Constitutional rights apply to everyone worldwide, regardless of their foreign nationality and location outside the US. I had to explain that I, as a US citizen, did not have the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms while in a foreign country which does not permit such.
It's really scandalous how woefully uneducated some of these 'snowflakes' are. They automatically claim that something they don't like that Trump does is "unconstitutional" or "illegal" simply on the basis they don't like it. They have been brainwashed by the Leftists to believe that Trump is a "fascist," so anything he does must be illegal.
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Old 02-06-2017, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I'm just wondering how many people on C-D could pass the Civics Test on the link you provided.
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Old 02-06-2017, 11:01 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Can you state for me how Obama's ban was identical?
Well, suppose you tell me how it was different?
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Old 02-06-2017, 11:04 AM
 
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here's a good question - if a different circuit court had ruled on the case - say the 10th circuit court - would we have gotten a different outcome?
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Old 02-06-2017, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
We have a horrifyingly under-educated populace, thanks to our country's joke of a public school system. I've posted the stats in this thread, this post:

//www.city-data.com/forum/47089611-post41.html

That said, I had to correct a lefty on this forum who thought that those who have Green Cards are US citizens, when of course, they're not.

And more than one lefty has insisted that Constitutional rights apply to everyone worldwide, regardless of their foreign nationality and location outside the US. I had to explain that I, as a US citizen, did not have the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms while in a foreign country which does not permit such.

And they will say that the 14th amendment applies to non-citizens, when in fact it only applies to persons who are born or naturalized as citizens of the United States.
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Old 02-06-2017, 11:20 AM
 
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here's a good question - if a different circuit court had ruled on the case - say the 10th circuit court - would we have gotten a different outcome?
A Circuit only binds itself. The Washington DC only binds Washington, the 9th Circuit only binds the 9th Circuit.If the 10th Circuit came out differently we'd have what is called a Circuit split. What usually happens then is that SCOTUS has reason to get involved and settle it.
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