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Old 02-15-2017, 06:32 AM
 
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Unpatriotic Trump and his followers think our country is a disaster. (Their words, not ours). They have rewritten the narrative to make us look bad as a country, because if they don't, then they don't have a crisis to fix, and if there is no crisis to fix, then he doesn't get elected.

Worst thing for his type is another Obama economy, where the Dow triples, we reach full employment, there are no terrorist attacks, and we gain respect on the world stage. When that happens, they can't distract us while he robs from the poor and gives it to the rich.

It's a sham. A majority of Americans know that. A majority voted that way, and he still one. He knew the rules, and exploited them to win the whitehouse, just like he did to cheat people out of their pay.

According to him, it makes him smart. By the time his followers wake up, it'll be too late for them to realize they are the ones who will pay the biggest price.
Your analysis is dead on, this tactic of using fear or painting a picture of impending disaster, or portraying opponents as dangerous is as old as the hills.

However Trump got only 25% of the eligible voting block; Clinton got about the same. 50% of the eligible voters simply stayed home and didn't bother to participate. Trump didn't get a mandate, neither would have Clinton had she won. It is the apathy of American voters that elected Trump. We have them to blame for this disaster.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:32 AM
 
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^^^^^ This pretty much sums it up. Trump found something inside a lot of people that they were thinking, but afraid to say out loud themselves. He found people who disliked Obama and exploited that into "America has lot and lots of bigly problems !"

We Americans are spoiled rotten. We live in a country of opportunities and relative safety. The people who are trying to come in are not doing it to get away from a good life, they are coming because they live in Hell.

I don't get where all this negativity comes from. If some of these people were somehow transported to one of the other countries on earth, they would soon realize how great America is right now, today.
Funny how with an opportunity to criticize Trump, liberals forget all the ways they constantly criticize America. Wealth inequality, corporations buying elections, institutional racism and white privilege, bombin and droning people all over the world, poverty and homelessness in a wealthy country, the high cost of education, the remaining millions of people without insurance, the school to prison pipeline, the war on drugs, and on and on.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:33 AM
 
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Trump as no clue, like he has no clue in how to be President.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:33 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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I have heard so much about "Make America Great Again (TM)" over the past 6 months or so and I have got to ask:

What's was so horrible about it before Trump rolled into town with his Made in China hats and told you all that this place was a cesspool?

Come on. America has flaws, like any other country, but it's surely not a terrible country.

Have you see the places that refugees are trying to escape to come here?!?

Even the Rust Belt, angry voters who are upset about jobs have it better than refugees.

Even in Flint, where the water is polluted and dangerous, those people still have warm homes and a roof over their heads. And food to eat.

So, again, I ask you...

What is so terrible that must be made great and can only be done by a lying swindler like Trump?
Let me help you. He's not talking about the Grand Canyon, or the New York skyline.
He's talking about Leftists and their determination to take down our remarkable form of government and replace it with what was East Berlin before the Wall came down.
Does the OP know of any Leftists that fit the description?
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:35 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Trump as no clue, like he has no clue in how to be President.
That's a laugh! We all remember the face-painted clown that just left office.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:37 AM
 
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Your analysis is dead on, this tactic of using fear or painting a picture of impending disaster, or portraying opponents as dangerous is as old as the hills.

However Trump got only 25% of the eligible voting block; Clinton got about the same. 50% of the eligible voters simply stayed home and didn't bother to participate. Trump didn't get a mandate, neither would have Clinton had she won. It is the apathy of American voters that elected Trump. We have them to blame for this disaster.
Is it? The two major parties presented terrible options. Is it wrong to state that you don't support any of them? One can argue that you could still vote for someone but seems to me that we really can't blame those not voting until we offer a none of the above option.

In the end that is why Hillary lost. A proportion of people decided they didn't like any of the choices so they didn't bother.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:38 AM
 
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Trump as no clue, like he has no clue in how to be President.
I see this statement as one that is saying he will fit in fine then with those who came before him.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:43 AM
 
Location: NC
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Trumps a business man so think financial.

The liberal press will minimize the Carrier deal, pointing out that 1,000 jobs will not of itself lift economic growth, and that structural cost problems remain for U.S. manufacturers. Paying Mexican laborers three dollars an hour is a powerful enticement; workers in Indianapolis are making more than $20.

Carrier deal is proof that Trump is already making America great again | Fox News

Bringing back these jobs that pay a decent wage for Americans instead of outsourcing them to use slave labor in the south.
The middle of this country use to be humming with decent factory jobs. That is another of his means to make America great again.
This is hogwash! Anyone who has any understanding of global economics knows that Adam Smith's invisible hand has far more power than Trump's tiny hands. Stated like a joke, but it is deadly serious.

The flaw in your argument is this: Sure, we can bring the jobs back to USA for $20 an hour, but sooner or later (more sooner than later) another competitor will realize they can make the same product for cheaper, but using cheaper labor, and they will, 'as if guided by an invisible hand', do it.

While it appeals to those who pay the price for globalism, it does not, and can not solve the problem. You see, Globalism is not some conspiracy, it is simply the 'science' of economics. It IS the invisible hand at work. The world has realized efficiencies, and any business, as if guided by an invisible hand, will take advantage of them.

The way to beat it is to either find a way to do things SO MUCH better, that it's worth the higher price, or to innovate and do other things that the competition can't. (Uber, WholeFoods, McDonalds have all created their niche, and are all over the place for different reasons, they have remained competitive. Why on EARTH would anyone pay $6 for a head of organic lettuce, but they do...).

Ultimately, our macro-economy benefits from being nimble. It means retraining coal workers to become blue collar technicians in a bio-lab or a space program, or a driverless car program. It does not mean they all have to go to harvard or MIT. It means we retool our "professional development infrastructure" to face today's economy, rather than clinging to yesterday.

No matter how you spin it, the Carrier deal has no long-term value. It is a short term band-aid, if even that. Some things are bigger than Trump. Some things are even bigger than America. The good news is that we are in the cat-bird seat to beat it all. We have the people, the economy, and the smarts. It's merely a distraction and a waste of time to try to compete with low-wage countries to keep unskilled jobs. It just is. Don't dumb us down, we can be (are) so much better.

And finally, if you do want to keep mfg jobs here, and support the $20/hr jobs, the ONLY way you'll be able to do it is to allow enough immigrants in who are willing to do the low-skill jobs that support them. Americans have resoundly stated (and I agree) they can't live in our economy on minimum wage.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:48 AM
 
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I have heard so much about "Make America Great Again (TM)" over the past 6 months or so and I have got to ask:

What's was so horrible about it before Trump rolled into town with his Made in China hats and told you all that this place was a cesspool?

Come on. America has flaws, like any other country, but it's surely not a terrible country.

Have you see the places that refugees are trying to escape to come here?!?

Even the Rust Belt, angry voters who are upset about jobs have it better than refugees.

Even in Flint, where the water is polluted and dangerous, those people still have warm homes and a roof over their heads. And food to eat.

So, again, I ask you...

What is so terrible that must be made great and can only be done by a lying swindler like Trump?

Trump believes in fear.He will tel you how bad it is or just how bad it's going to be and only he can stop it....becuase he makes deals. He tells people that know no better that those refugees will come here and take their way of life or kill them or kill their family.
I believe America has always been great even in it's worst of times America has been great,people that voted Trump don't believe that.Trump supporters think he is a billionaire he must be able to run a country becuase he can run a company and slowly they are learning that is not the case ,he is making a mockery of the Office of the President and turning this great country into a laughing stock.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:49 AM
 
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That's a laugh! We all remember the face-painted clown that just left office.
Oh, you mean....Bush.
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