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Old 03-02-2017, 08:58 AM
 
Location: USA
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Two nuclear plants are either under construction. These are Summer and Vogtle. In both cases consumers are on the hook for the massive cost overruns. These plants will cost billions more than advertised. Nuclear plants require huge government subsidies and utility commissions willing to force cost over runs down the throats of poor consumers.
But they do have the benefit of being virtually carbon-free and reliable. They don't need fossil fuel backup plants (like wind and solar require).

Wind and solar require huge government subsidies and increase costs for consumers. I'm not sure if the same is true for nuclear, I will have to look into it.
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Old 03-02-2017, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Southern West Virginia
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The last hope of coal is to keep it as a source of power to generate electricity. It will not be a large producer unless some bright people can figure out other uses. You can count me out on that but maybe hope is in the youth of the country.
That isn't true. You need coal to make steel. If we could sell metallurgic coal to China like we did in the early 2000s so they could make steel to build their infrastructure, the price of metallurgic coal would rise and more mines would open back up. China's downturn in building has really hurt US metallurgic coal producers.
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Old 03-02-2017, 09:28 AM
 
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Wind and solar require huge government subsidies and increase costs for consumers. I'm not sure if the same is true for nuclear, I will have to look into it.
Depends on how you look at it but those plants are uninsurable by any means and the insurance they do have could never possibly cover the costs of a major accident.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price%..._Indemnity_Act
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Old 03-02-2017, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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All control areas have backup plants ready to go on a moment's notice. Renewables do not affect the need for those plants.
And no one is debating that. The fact is that the more renewable sites that are installed the more fossil fuel plants we build and have to rely on.
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Old 03-02-2017, 10:04 AM
 
Location: USA
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Depends on how you look at it but those plants are uninsurable by any means and the insurance they do have could never possibly cover the costs of a major accident.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price%..._Indemnity_Act
Thanks for posting that. I will look into it further.
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Old 03-02-2017, 10:11 AM
 
Location: DC
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But they do have the benefit of being virtually carbon-free and reliable. They don't need fossil fuel backup plants (like wind and solar require).

Wind and solar require huge government subsidies and increase costs for consumers. I'm not sure if the same is true for nuclear, I will have to look into it.
You obviously have no understanding of reserve requirements. Each of these plants will require the control area to operate spinning reserve equal to the unit capacity. That would be 1152 MW for Vogtle. The subsidies for Vogtle dwarf what is given to a wind farm and the busbar cost of Vogtle will be way more than anyone is paying for wind.

Please educate yourself.
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Old 03-02-2017, 10:12 AM
 
Location: DC
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That isn't true. You need coal to make steel. If we could sell metallurgic coal to China like we did in the early 2000s so they could make steel to build their infrastructure, the price of metallurgic coal would rise and more mines would open back up. China's downturn in building has really hurt US metallurgic coal producers.
Most steel comes from recycling today.
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Old 03-02-2017, 10:14 AM
 
Location: DC
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And no one is debating that. The fact is that the more renewable sites that are installed the more fossil fuel plants we build and have to rely on.
Not clear at all. Reserves are typically based upon the largest plant on the system. That isn't a renewable plant.
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Old 03-02-2017, 10:41 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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How silly, 50% of the power generated in the USA comes from coal. There is no viable domestic alternative beyond nuclear, and energy consumption continues to rise.
No it doesn't. It's 33 percent. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3

Reducing it to zero is certainly within our grasp.
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Old 03-02-2017, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Not clear at all. Reserves are typically based upon the largest plant on the system. That isn't a renewable plant.
They specifically say to support wind/renewable. Guess these guys don't know as much as you....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxfkNLj96K4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t04zx55Um5E
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