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View Poll Results: Was it in the National Interest for Obama to have Tapped Trump's Telephones?
No - Obama abused his power 136 84.47%
Yes - Obama was protecting Americans 25 15.53%
Voters: 161. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-05-2017, 10:57 AM
 
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Why is Trump calling for an investigation into his own campaign?

This makes no sense.
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Old 03-05-2017, 10:59 AM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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Where is the actual proof that any of Trump's wiretap claims actually occurred?
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Old 03-05-2017, 11:01 AM
 
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Since they work for him, we would already have seen evidence of illegal wiretapping, if it had occurred.

It either did not occur or was done legally.
I don't know if you guys have seen this, but Louise Mensch (who broke the initial story about the FISA warrants months ago) is reporting that foreign intelligence agencies have handed over transcripts to U.S. authorities showing collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch?ref...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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Old 03-05-2017, 11:04 AM
 
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Where is the actual proof that any of Trump's wiretap claims actually occurred?
There is. Apparently there were two FISA requests. The first was denied. The 2nd more narrow was approved, found nothing, but they kept listening.
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Old 03-05-2017, 11:18 AM
 
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There is. Apparently there were two FISA requests. The first was denied. The 2nd more narrow was approved, found nothing, but they kept listening.
There is? Where? Even Fox News hasn't posted proof, let's see it. "Apparently" doesn't cut it.
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Old 03-05-2017, 12:01 PM
 
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I'm wondering if Trumps strategy is to throw so much BS out there that we will come to accept it as normal and possibly factual ="Tell a lie often enough and it will become the truth.
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Old 03-05-2017, 12:06 PM
 
Location: New Market, MD
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I'm wondering if Trumps strategy is to throw so much BS out there that we will come to accept it as normal and possibly factual ="Tell a lie often enough and it will become the truth.

It becomes the truth first time for his devotees like the OP
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Old 03-05-2017, 12:07 PM
 
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I'm wondering if Trumps strategy is to throw so much BS out there that we will come to accept it as normal and possibly factual ="Tell a lie often enough and it will become the truth.

I dont know if it is so much a "strategy' as it is an ingrained facet of his character. He is a narcissist and a liar. It's how he gets along in the world. He is 70 yrs old, simply reacting according to his nature, and really cant change at his age after a lifetime of doing things this way.

And I do not disagree with him much politics wise. I want conserve justices, something done about immigration, a focus on American jobs, restraints on convenience abortions, and so on.

But the guy is just a liar. Its that simple.
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Old 03-05-2017, 01:07 PM
 
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I dont know if it is so much a "strategy' as it is an ingrained facet of his character. He is a narcissist and a liar. It's how he gets along in the world. He is 70 yrs old, simply reacting according to his nature, and really cant change at his age after a lifetime of doing things this way.
You are mistaken. Obama is just 55.

And it appears he misused the power of the Presidency, maybe illegally, to tap telephones and offices for political reasons. It's the same sort of thing that Nixon did and got caught doing.
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Old 03-05-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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You are mistaken. Obama is just 55.

And it appears he misused the power of the Presidency, maybe illegally, to tap telephones and offices for political reasons. It's the same sort of thing that Nixon did and got caught doing.


I really dont care about the opinions of posters so lame they cant admit who the topic is about. A jr high school tactic.

You are either a paid shill or totally disconnected from reality. Irrelevant in either case.
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