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Poor people will be unable to get any health insurance under this new deal that Paul Ryan is selling. The republicans don't want poor people to get health insurance. You heard Jason Chavitz. It's poor people's fault for being poor and not affording health insurance what with all the Iphones they keep buying. Yeah right. Nobody making 20,000-30,000 a year is going to be able to afford health insurance. Especially if they get some horrible disease(cancer, diabetes, aids).
Can I hand you my bill then for $500 a month for the worst plan with $6300 deductibles?
Meanwhile broke tricks get much higher levels of insurance than me for nothing or pennies.
You should get what you pay for, not what others pay for.
Can I hand you my bill then for $500 a month for the worst plan with $6300 deductibles?
Meanwhile broke tricks get much higher levels of insurance than me for nothing or pennies.
You should get what you pay for, not what others pay for.
Finally have health coverage? Thanks to the hardworking taxpayers who have to spend thousands more on their own healthcare to cover them. Last I heard, none of them seem the least greatful
Every had a car accident? If so, then you can thank all the other people in your state who haven't been involved in an accident for subsidizing your insurance premiums.
every had a car accident? If so, then you can thank all the other people in your state who haven't been involved in an accident for subsidizing your insurance premiums.
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Oh yeah because people that make 20k a year can afford 500/month for Obamacare with a 6k deductible.
Please people... before you post.. know what you're talking about. Thanks.
If you make 20,000 a year, you are not paying 500 a month for Obamacare.
Thats abotu howmuch I was making as a part timer when I was going to sign up, and it wasnt close to 500. I think it was 150 ish and that was before the subsidy.
How about you tell all those poor young people that under Trumpcare, if they go without insurance and then decide they need it they will pay 30% more for a year. And all insurance works by spreading risk among large numbers of people, that's how your homeowners insurance and car insurance work too.
The quality and amount of expense covered by health care should be proportional to what the person put in the system. If the person is poor, then the healthcare quality should be lower. Throughout human history, the quality of healthcare coverage has been proportional to the person's wealth. Why should it be any different in the modern world. People live longer than they did 100 years ago. The poor should be happy they live longer and have superior healthcare than did 100 years ago, but they shouldn't expect the same quality as the richer citizens. Even in socialist countries that theoretically can provide healthcare coverage to all, there is a long waiting list. A wealthier person can afford better healthcare coverage, which provide superior healthcare. Essentially, what the poor want is equal access to healthcare that is comparable to the middle, upper, and rich class. That will probably never happen. Historically that has never happened.
By quality of healthcare, I'm referring to the speed, experience of doctors, access to medicine, specialist, and treatment. My father knew a person who was a drunk and would never spend any of his money on healthcare and instead relied on government healthcare. When his wife got sick, he took her to the doctor ,but the doctors took too long to properly diagnostic her condition. She died in the hospital. The government healthcare system requires, if I'm not mistake, for patients to be tested and confirmed results before a specialist is recommended. She died while being tested. This man wife would probably had been saved had the doctors were more experience and more liberal on recommending a specialist instead of following procedures. If you pay out your own pocket things are done quickly. Government healthcare isn't very good. In some socialist governments that provide healthcare people have to wait years to get an operation. I'm certain people die while waiting for an operation.
You can't have it all. The government will eventually have to reduce welfare, military, government spending, or find a way to reduce healthcare cost in order to provide quality healthcare. It does no good if people are given free healthcare that requires the patient to wait obscene amount of time before treatment.
I don't think the current GOP proposal isn't anymore better than obamacare. Merely changes the benefactors from poor and seniors to young healthy workers.
The quality and amount of expense covered by health care should be proportional to what the person put in the system. If the person is poor, then the healthcare quality should be lower. Throughout human history, the quality of healthcare coverage has been proportional to the person's wealth. Why should it be any different in the modern world. People live longer than they did 100 years ago. The poor should be happy they live longer and have superior healthcare than did 100 years ago, but they shouldn't expect the same quality as the richer citizens. Even in socialist countries that theoretically can provide healthcare coverage to all, there is a long waiting list. A wealthier person can afford better healthcare coverage, which provide superior healthcare. Essentially, what the poor want is equal access to healthcare that is comparable to the middle, upper, and rich class. That will probably never happen. Historically that has never happened.
By quality of healthcare, I'm referring to the speed, experience of doctors, access to medicine, specialist, and treatment. My father knew a person who was a drunk and would never spend any of his money on healthcare and instead relied on government healthcare. When his wife got sick, he took her to the doctor ,but the doctors took too long to properly diagnostic her condition. She died in the hospital. The government healthcare system requires, if I'm not mistake, for patients to be tested and confirmed results before a specialist is recommended. She died while being tested. This man wife would probably had been saved had the doctors were more experience and more liberal on recommending a specialist instead of following procedures. If you pay out your own pocket things are done quickly. Government healthcare isn't very good. In some socialist governments that provide healthcare people have to wait years to get an operation. I'm certain people die while waiting for an operation.
You can't have it all. The government will eventually have to reduce welfare, military, government spending, or find a way to reduce healthcare cost in order to provide quality healthcare. It does no good if people are given free healthcare that requires the patient to wait obscene amount of time before treatment.
I don't think the current GOP proposal isn't anymore better than obamacare. Merely changes the benefactors from poor and seniors to young healthy workers.
This is 100% unadulterated bovine excrement...Are you so brain dead that don't understand that insurance is a pool like fire departments, highways, courts and police? Are you advocating that the individual pay for use of these?
We in BC have universal health care (thank goodness), or I would have been in the poor house long ago.....During the past fifteen years I've had several emergencies and medical procedures that required hospital stays that would have cost me well in excess of $250,000 if I were a resident of your country....
I'm 77 years old and one of the depressing facts of life is that most of us get old eventually, and when we do, like an old car we start falling apart.
There are more than 500,000 surgeries performed in British Columbia each year. More than half of these are emergency or unscheduled procedures and never appear on a waitlist. These cases are not included on this website. Surgical Wait Times - Province of British Columbia
I read the new health care act but to be honest, I really didn't understand all of it. And I think most don't understand it all either. I think you really have to be knowledgeable in the healthcare field to fully see what this is all about. My husband is because he has been overseeing healthcare plans for corporations for many years. He has always been an advocate of a single payer system. Ryan's plan favors the rich and pretty much screws the rest of us. So I'm not sure why any republican who voted for Trump would be in favor of this. Oh of course, they make it sound good. But keep in mind, Obamacare has been around for 9 years and republicans had no alternative to it. They had 9 years to come up with something. Now that they are in full charge they are rushing to put something together. What an absolute joke.
Some people are born stupid. It's a miracle they can walk on two legs.
Saw a woman on TV who's a Trump supporter. Fine. What is her job? To enroll people in Obama care. So what does she want? To get rid of Obama care! She voted to eliminate her job She looks middle age, so her insurance is going up.
She's still supporting Trump because "he's going to be flexible". What does that mean?
Obamacare was not perfect, but it sure gave a lot of people who otherwise would not have access to any insurance a chance. What the supporters of Trump do not realize is how the math works out on this new plan. Basically , young people (20's) will pay about $2600 a year with a $ 2000 tax credit. Not a bad deal. However, those people in their 50's-60's will pay about 4 -10 times that amount, and pre existing conditions will be a reason for some to be excluded.
This new plan is only going to do one thing, benefit the top 1% . It will be very interesting when Trumpees realize they are caught in that mess.......and it will happen.
Actually you have already admitted it will benefit young people. Most of us fifty somethings have insurance through our or our spouse's employer.
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