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Old 03-09-2017, 09:05 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Right. On. The. Money.

Did congress authorize this venture?

See #29, I truly believe we need to change the rules for how we go to war.
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Old 03-09-2017, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Crush the evil known as ISIS!

Marines deploy to Syria with artillery

Thank you, President Trump & Sec. Mattis!
I actually read the article. I fail to see what you're excited about other than thanking Trump for something that's even done before. Two hundred marines? That's like pi$$ing in the wind.

They're providing support to "friendly ground forces". I don't see what's the big deal since they don't even know which faction is going to invade Rakka in order to retake it. How many times have we had and lost Raqqa?

What I find disheartening is the following sentence from the article: "A small number of U.S. troops is currently in the Syrian town of Manbij to keep the peace between the Kurdish and Turkish forces." Really?

When are going to learn that is best to let these people kill each other?

What an interminable mess.
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Old 03-09-2017, 09:12 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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There is an ideal world and a fantasy world.

We are talking about American politics here. Even non-interventionism is not reality.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, but reality is reality.
Reality is what we make it, we'll never change it unless we believe we can. I do.


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So between Trump and Hillary, Trump's war will be quick. Well, in my opinion.
IIRC 'they' told us Vietnam would be just a quick little police action.

I see little difference between Trump and Hillary, I believed/believe neither of them.

I've spent far too much of my life seeing young Americans come home in body bags for no good reason and I'm damn tired of it.
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Old 03-09-2017, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I actually read the article. I fail to see what you're excited about other than thanking Trump for something that's even done before. Two hundred marines? That's like pi$$ing in the wind. .
In all fairness, the Artillery guys are there. Better than special forces, special forces are not Captain America. I have had so many friends with force recons, many of them didn't make it.

Artillery guys might do some real damages. I wonder if the India Battery 3/12 is there. These are some legendary war fighters.

Artillery is a class of large military weapons built to fire munitions far beyond the range and power of infantry's small arms
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Old 03-09-2017, 09:14 AM
 
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I actually read the article. I fail to see what you're excited about other than thanking Trump for something that's even done before. Two hundred marines? That's like pi$$ing in the wind.

They're providing support to "friendly ground forces". I don't see what's the big deal since they don't even know which faction is going to invade Rakka in order to retake it. How many times have we had and lost Raqqa?

What I find disheartening is the following sentence from the article: "A small number of U.S. troops is currently in the Syrian town of Manbij to keep the peace between the Kurdish and Turkish forces." Really?

When are going to learn that is best to let these people kill each other?


What an interminable mess.
As good a plan of action as any other we've come up with.
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Old 03-09-2017, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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As good a plan of action as any other we've come up with.
Again, there is a reality world and a fantasy world.

This is American politics we are talking about. A quick war is better than a long one. What you two said are all good, but it will never happen.
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Old 03-09-2017, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Didn't I say that I have mixed feelings about this?

I only said "I know ISIS needs to be destroyed."

Please don't lecture me, Thank you. I doubt you have any solutions yourself.
How do you destroy an ideology? You can kill people, you can kill the leaders, but more will take up the banner and fight on.
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Old 03-09-2017, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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How do you destroy an ideology? You can kill people, you can kill the leaders, but more will take up the banner and fight on.
ugh Never mind.

I agree with all of YOU. but we are talking about American politics here.

sheesh
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Old 03-09-2017, 09:21 AM
 
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I have friends who are active duty. They are all ready for war.

I have mixed feelings about this. I don't want any wars, but I know ISIS needs to be destroyed.

Dear Lord, walk with these Marines Each and every day.
This isn't going to destroy ISIS. Perhaps as a State and infrastructure...but then they move underground and re-locate once again.

The ME and Africa is too de-stabilized for them not to. They'll re-trench in Afghanistan, Yemen, or Mali.

My cousins just defeated them in Libya so inshaAllah (God willing) they are done there.
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Old 03-09-2017, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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There is an ideal world and a fantasy world.

We are talking about American politics here. Even non-interventionism is not reality.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, but reality is reality.

So between Trump and Hillary, Trump's war will be quick. Well, in my opinion.
The reality is that ISIS cannot be destroyed as explained upthread by another poster.
They can only be contained.

ISIS is like a pest and the only way to eliminate ISIS is to kill every man, woman and child that's Muslim in this world. Every Koran must be destroyed as well. There's 1.9 billion of them. We're not going to do that.

This country successfully fought two wars during WWII. We fought the Germans in Europe and the Japanese in the Pacific. However, we had 70% income tax rates and rationing at home. IOW, we were serious about fighting and winning. We did everything it took to fight and win.

After 9/11, we were told not to worry our pretty little heads about a thing and to go shopping. To win, you have to give it your all. I don't see that happening.

We shall observe Trump and keep track of his war.

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