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Trump's hard-line supporters don't care. You have to understand their insane reasoning to see how we got here:
- Bigotry is a big part of it for some of them. They honestly don't care if they are worse off provided the people they hate are MUCH worse off
- Everything is always "somebody else's fault" or "the fault of the government" with those types. They lack the wit and self-reflection to understand that their actions have consequences. It wouldn't matter if you showed it to them in simple terms; they still will never admit that their voting for the Dumpster led to them being worse off. It will always be the fault of: "The Democrats / the government / minorities / the black, gay, Muslim coal miners that stole all their jobs."
Facts are useless when dealing with people that have no interest in them and who are motivated by various forms of hatred above all else: hatred of minorities, hatred of government, hatred of "evil liberals, etc." If Trump personally walked into their town, shut down all the jobs, and burned it to the ground, these types would STILL blame "Obama," and then would blame the government agencies that Trump de-funded for failing to help them fast enough... while at the same time considering that "proof that government is useless" - and thus they'd go out and vote for Trump again.
Are all Trump supporters like this? No, of course not. On the other hand, I know plenty of them, and not a single one of them lacks some form of bigoted or fact-free, anti-government motivation. They'll gladly cut off their nose to spite their face and wreck the nation just to prove their point. Sadly, with far too many of them, facts no longer matter. They'll just keep on voting Republican and against their nation as long as they can.
If you had real answers to simple questions, you wouldn't have to claim to know another's motivations (racism) as though clairvoyant.
Obviously you are not clairvoyant or you would be in Las Vegas right now perceiving what the 21 dealer's hole card happens to be.
The white working-class, as I have written many times on this forum, is politically unrepresentable in the United States due to the fact that, unlike so many other groups, our votes cannot be purchased with someone else's money or with special status and privileges provided by some state agency.
Our votes cannot be purchased because anything that could be used to bribe us would have to be taken from us in the first place.
Furthermore, since we are self-supporting, law abiding tax payers, there isn't much opportunity for us to lag behind other groups, and nothing screws up a perfectly good claim of systemic discrimination like never lagging behind in the first place.
So being net tax payers, ineligible for the give-away programs we fund, and failing to provide the demonstrable failing required to have been the victim of some make-believe oppressor, working-class white males find themselves on unfortunate terms with politicians who need to buy votes with earner's tax dollars and government debt accumulated in their name in order to win elections.
In fact, top Democrats proudly announced prior to last year's election that with the coalition of voters they had assembled, voters who are essentially everything except working-class white males, they didn't even need white males anymore.
That leaves the Republican Party and our ongoing effort to take it over.
Since the organized effort to replace corporate ***** Republicans with candidates more acceptable to people who actually work for a living began in 2009, we have made steady progress toward that goal, but we are clearly swimming against the tide.
Like the man we elected president, we must defeat both Democrats and establishment Republicans along with the powerful special interests groups, organizations and businesses that back them.
Take notes Rambler123, the slaves are rising up against their taskmasters.
If you had real answers to simple questions, you wouldn't have to claim to know another's motivations (racism) as though clairvoyant.
Obviously you are not clairvoyant or you would be in Las Vegas right now perceiving what the 21 dealer's hole card happens to be.
The white working-class, as I have written many times on this forum, is politically unrepresentable in the United States due to the fact that, unlike so many other groups, our votes cannot be purchased with someone else's money or with special status and privileges provided by some state agency.
Our votes cannot be purchased because anything that could be used to bribe us would have to be taken from us in the first place.
Furthermore, since we are self-supporting, law abiding tax payers, there isn't much opportunity for us to lag behind other groups, and nothing screws up a perfectly good claim of systemic discrimination like never lagging behind in the first place.
So being net tax payers, ineligible for the give-away programs we fund, and failing to provide the demonstrable failing required to have been the victim of some make-believe oppressor, working-class white males find themselves on unfortunate terms with politicians who need to buy votes with earner's tax dollars and government debt accumulated in their name in order to win elections.
In fact, top Democrats proudly announced prior to last year's election that with the coalition of voters they had assembled, voters who are essentially everything except working-class white males, they didn't even need white males anymore.
That leaves the Republican Party and our ongoing effort to take it over.
Since the organized effort to replace corporate ***** Republicans with candidates more acceptable to people who actually work for a living began in 2009, we have made steady progress toward that goal, but we are clearly swimming against the tide.
Like the man we elected president, we must defeat both Democrats and establishment Republicans along with the powerful special interests groups, organizations and businesses that back them.
Take notes Rambler123, the slaves are rising up against their taskmasters.
Trump's hard-line supporters don't care. You have to understand their insane reasoning to see how we got here:
- Bigotry is a big part of it for some of them. They honestly don't care if they are worse off provided the people they hate are MUCH worse off
- Everything is always "somebody else's fault" or "the fault of the government" with those types. They lack the wit and self-reflection to understand that their actions have consequences. It wouldn't matter if you showed it to them in simple terms; they still will never admit that their voting for the Dumpster led to them being worse off. It will always be the fault of: "The Democrats / the government / minorities / the black, gay, Muslim coal miners that stole all their jobs."
Facts are useless when dealing with people that have no interest in them and who are motivated by various forms of hatred above all else: hatred of minorities, hatred of government, hatred of "evil liberals, etc." If Trump personally walked into their town, shut down all the jobs, and burned it to the ground, these types would STILL blame "Obama," and then would blame the government agencies that Trump de-funded for failing to help them fast enough... while at the same time considering that "proof that government is useless" - and thus they'd go out and vote for Trump again.
Are all Trump supporters like this? No, of course not. On the other hand, I know plenty of them, and not a single one of them lacks some form of bigoted or fact-free, anti-government motivation. They'll gladly cut off their nose to spite their face and wreck the nation just to prove their point. Sadly, with far too many of them, facts no longer matter. They'll just keep on voting Republican and against their nation as long as they can.
Thanks for that...sadly, this mentality has remained and doesn't end, since their stubbornly, backward ideas continue to be passed down. Gratefully, they are not the majority of people. Typically, they are unaware that they contribute to making things difficult for everyone, including themselves. It is this mindset that needs to be eliminated.
I heard a story recently that a woman in the South who owns a Drive-in Theatre refused to show the film, "Beauty and the Beast", due to there being a Gay character in it. She felt she did not have a choice, since "it is what God would have wanted."
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That leaves the Republican Party and our ongoing effort to take it over.
Since the organized effort to replace corporate ***** Republicans with candidates more acceptable to people who actually work for a living began in 2009, we have made steady progress toward that goal, but we are clearly swimming against the tide.
Like the man we elected president, we must defeat both Democrats and establishment Republicans along with the powerful special interests groups, organizations and businesses that back them.
Take notes ... the slaves are rising up against their taskmasters.
This romantic alternative reality narrative of yours is like putting lipstick on a pig. Ordinary people are highly persuadable and (unfortunately) can often be led with a whispered lie.
The Tea Party for example is supported by the Koch brothers. It will never cross them. Fox News directly promotes the thinking of Rupert Murdoch. Meanwhile Mr Trump is feathering the nest with wealthy donors and fellow travelers, it is shaping up to be the most scandalous administration since Warren G. Harding and his Teapot Dome thievery.
This is not a rise of the common man. It will not be remembered kindly by future generations.
The money that drives the Republican party is exactly why many working people have been supporting it. The money pays for putting ideas in peoples heads. Those who are naïve enough are led down a primrose path to further exploitation.
The political money will always find a way, if a faction tries to take over the Republican party without accepting the money ( ... and doing the money's bidding) the Robber Barons will go elsewhere, to a third party or some other way and drive it into the dust. A Republican party without dark money behind it is unsustainable.
TNcare is not under Obamacare, it was established in 1994. It is a state program that guaranteed coverage for those who did not qualify for coverage. Medicaid has been around since 1965.
You do not know if or who will be kicked off coverage.
TN Care only covers those who are covered under standard medicare. The state did not expand medicaid.
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Some of the groups TennCare Medicaid covers are:
Children under age 21
Women who are pregnant
Parents or caretakers of a minor child (The child must live with you and be a close relative.)
Women who need treatment for breast or cervical cancer
People who get an SSI check (Supplemental Security Income)
People who have gotten both an SSI check and a Social Security check in the same month at least once since April, 1977 AND who still get a Social Security check
A person who:
Lives in a nursing home and has income below $2,199 per month, or
Gets other long term care services that TennCare pays for
- See more at: https://www.tn.gov/tenncare/article/....Y3stSQDh.dpuf
If you had real answers to simple questions, you wouldn't have to claim to know another's motivations (racism) as though clairvoyant.
Obviously you are not clairvoyant or you would be in Las Vegas right now perceiving what the 21 dealer's hole card happens to be.
The white working-class, as I have written many times on this forum, is politically unrepresentable in the United States due to the fact that, unlike so many other groups, our votes cannot be purchased with someone else's money or with special status and privileges provided by some state agency.
Our votes cannot be purchased because anything that could be used to bribe us would have to be taken from us in the first place.
Furthermore, since we are self-supporting, law abiding tax payers, there isn't much opportunity for us to lag behind other groups, and nothing screws up a perfectly good claim of systemic discrimination like never lagging behind in the first place.
So being net tax payers, ineligible for the give-away programs we fund, and failing to provide the demonstrable failing required to have been the victim of some make-believe oppressor, working-class white males find themselves on unfortunate terms with politicians who need to buy votes with earner's tax dollars and government debt accumulated in their name in order to win elections.
Nice opinion piece, but there's not one bit of support for your argument.
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Overall, white Americans still make up the largest number of people on means-tested programs (though they represent less than their share of the population). Among food stamp participants in fiscal year 2013, 40 percent were white, 26 percent black, 10 percent Latino and 2 percent Asian. Among TANF recipients in fiscal year 2010, the overall numbers are 32 percent white, 32 percent black and 30 percent Hispanic.
The racial breakdown of Medicaid recipients in 2011, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, was 40 percent white, 22 percent black non-Hispanic, 25 percent Hispanic and 3 percent Asian. And enrollees in the Affordable Care Act health insurance exchanges are 63 percent white, 17 percent black, 11 percent Latino and 8 percent Asian.
Beyond the question of race, the Pew Research Center did a survey about beneficiaries of federal entitlement programs (both means-tested and not) in 2012 and found that 55 percent of Americans said they had benefited, including 57 percent of self-described conservatives and 53 percent each of liberals and moderates https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/...he-government/
I heard a story recently that a woman in the South who owns a Drive-in Theatre refused to show the film, "Beauty and the Beast", due to there being a Gay character in it. She felt she did not have a choice, since "it is what God would have wanted."
So being net tax payers, ineligible for the give-away programs we fund, and failing to provide the demonstrable failing required to have been the victim of some make-believe oppressor, working-class white males find themselves on unfortunate terms with politicians who need to buy votes with earner's tax dollars and government debt accumulated in their name in order to win elections.
I think your mysogynistic thinking comes through here
I noted you used MALES and obviously don't consider any females in your equation
The white working class and white collar professionals I live with in my neighborhood and state are pretty much out to lunch about who is behind the politicians they vote into office
In my state legislature they have reelected a guy who has come out publically and stated that men cannot "rape" their wives because marriage/Bible gives them domination over their wives...
If you don't recognize that the class of voters you supposedly represent are being manipulated by special interest groups like the Koch Brothers, the Freedom Caucus, Robert Mercer, and others who only want to use you as a front to cloak their motivations w/popular appeal then you can't separate truth from reality...
The readon the working class and working poor have made no real gains in prosperity since the 80s lies with GOP policies.
Reagan's trickle downn economics, Bush's tax. Uts and putting TWO wars on a crefit card and outside the real budget. Bush's economic policies in leaving Greenspan in as head of the Fed and allowing cheap money to run and run was direct cause of the economic meltdown.
The GOP congress refusing to do anything positive during Obama's presidency to really improve the economy is proof that the GOP loves power and politics more than people.
yes! And overnight Doctors who planned on opening their first practice in San Francisco, Dallas or Seattle will be scurrying off to Kentucky and West Virginia instead so that they can open charity clinics in the middle of nowhere so that they can serve unemployed, uninsured people most of whom have several chronic, untreated conditions!
Well, those unemployed, uninsured people with multiple chronic conditions will be able to pay those doctors with their tax credits and medical savings accounts. See how the logic works?
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