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Old 03-23-2017, 05:11 PM
 
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Raw commentary... of which many will deny, but few will grasp...

Half these people talking don't even understand anything about Health Care, all they are talking is because they are hung up on the "buzz word Obama".. when many RIGHT WINGER were polled, and they were asked: how they felt about Obama Care, they had nothing but bad things to say, when the same people were asked if liked ACA, (Affordable Care Act) they said they were fine with it and it was a good Idea.
Then; when the Interviewer told them that ACA is the same as Obama Care, (they never understood it was only called Obama Care by spiteful Republican trying to slap a label on it to diminish it). They stood there with a generalized dumbfounded look that Republican get when they are busted and exposed for the bias and bigotry.

Republican will screw themselves over in their hatred and race bias just to get the "slang name of Obama Care, called something else, because they can't digest the thought of such a beneficial program being given any reference of name that would emphasizes that President Obama achieved it. So they won't use the word "Amend", they want to use the word "Repeal", because that is about removing the slang name "they gave it in their attempt to try and make it backfire and fail to try to make Obama look bad"... when it succeeded, they became vile and full of wild anguish because their slang label did not stop it from succeeding. They think people are stupid and unable to see and know, that anything they do to it, will be an Amendment, because they can't get rid of the core element of it. And that truly anguishes them to no end. this is an example of how deep racist madness runs in this country, especially among the Right Wingers.

The Desperation of Republican to try and erase the presence of Obama's legacy will drive them to do anything, these are the type of people who'd burn down their own house if black people moved on both side of them, or they'd try to burn down the black peoples home. That's how crazy they are. Republican use the game of sticking "slap stick labels on anything and anyone, because that kind of belligerence is all their constituency understand, they did it through out the campaign, with Trump trying to attach a label to every other candidate, from the "little marco" to the "crooked hillary" and "lying Ted" and "Low energy Jeb" and Republican Bought Into It, because they live by such belligerence and think it to be strength. It's like a pack of mindless kids, with a lust for belligerence, Trump used Belligerence to endear Republican and Right Wingers to him, by condemning everything about our American system. That's the same tactic's our military uses when it goes to battle, is to give a slap stick name to the opponent, so they are not killing a person, because they've labeled them as if they are a "thing". All that is a carry over from "Slavery" of the words used to try and dehumanize black people, and all through segregation, they used such "belligerent labeling" as a tool to manage their institution of segregation. Most Right Winger White Republican would never actually figure it out. But they use it all the time as "put down commentary" as their "go to tool".


Therefore, All these Imbeciles TALKING ABOUT LET THE FREE MARKET HANDLE IS. are driven by Obsessive Selective Amnesia. They can't understand, as long as University Trained White Men are at the top of Insurance Industry, it will always be criminal in pursuit of any means to fleece the masses for the sole sake of Greed's grabs. That has been the history of the Free Market and it continue to be the presence of the free market.

People should pay attention. It's why we need regulation on processed food, because people will put anything in it for the sake of greed, and its a systemic mentality that will do this to "anything", that's why we have need of regulations. Suddenly people act like they have gone stupid and don't understand that simple fact.

One thing American Society should have learned over decades and certainly after the Crash of 2007-2008, and the spill over that damaged things until 2010 before we could stop people from massively loosing homes. Is the fact, that the University Trained Goon Graduates were taught Nothing but Greed Gouging by Any means. But these silly minded people are eager to fall into the same trap, be it medical, or environmental, or products that consumer purchase. IF history has not taught man that he cannot trust other man when it comes to money, then what will it take to make them wake up. The Nation and Our systems REQUIRE Regulatory Governance... for the sake and safety of society.

Most of these people who come out of Ivy League and the Top Tier Universities, whom go into Insurance, Banking and anything Financially related are nothing more than clone scripted with the unscrupulous antics of a Bad Used Car Salesperson. They are trained to Pump - Rip - Strip - Dump.... and they will repeat that cycle over and over and over until we get a more intelligent society. That's why so much fails in this society's business sector, and so many get ripped off when dealing with professional services.

What society can't rely on is - Politicians to be honest and just, and that is unlikely to change as long as they can chase money in every direction as long as their actions moves any kind of regard, respect and consideration of people from the equation. One certainly can't rely on Republican to stand up against that, because these self centered minded types, will do the exact same, because they love nothing more than denying anything to anyone if they can, while they try to grab all they can for themselves. This is the mentality that is pervasive in the American Society.

It was groomed in for 100's of years, and the same premise as what was evident and real of slavery is still the premise of mentality that exist today... became one thing is certain, people fight and resit change and have for decades upon decades over a century or more have been trying to find any way to do exactly what they did during slavery.... is to deny and benefit to minorities and poor whites. That's how and why the poor whites who follow Republican Script continually vote for thing that strip and rip them, because they think if they pander to that ideology that it will infer upon them some stature of status.... and while they chase that fiction, they get ripped over and over and over and over..... but they can't wake up... They are like "cultist followers" and/or surf's who will do exactly what Confederate Soldiers did, and that's give up their life to protect the systems of the wealthy.

It's not difficult to grasp the reality of any of this, if and when one looks with open eyes that face the truths that history has sown.... They continue to reap what they have sown, which is continuations desperation and despair; which continually leaves them destitute and lost in vain hope for something different, when they keep doing the same thing. It's called "INSANITY" !!!
They are trained to Submit themselves to be the recipients of this cycle... of falling for the Pumping - getting Ripped - getting Stripped - and getting Dumped and Dumped upon. It's like they fight each other to see who get's to dump the slop jar that the wealthy crapped in. By observation of continued conduct, they have become accustomed to the stench, as if they pursue that aroma, when they smell it they flock to it in groves, waiting and hoping they get a chance to dump the slop jar and think they will someday be invited to dinner. Never realizing the person who dumped in the slop jar, would never allow them to enter the dining room, surely never to come in and sit at the table and expect to eat with the wealthy masters.

See, black people learned it, the hard way, white society has not learned it yet.... but now the poor among them are classified the same as poor blacks.. as "The Poor"... and the wealthy want no company with the poor, but they will and do rely on the poor to "dump their crap filled slop jar", beyond that, there is no association. What white people don't get and don't understand, is the slave society gave the black man a birds eye view of the conduct and mentality of the wealthy, that poor whites never got to see. the black people also had a chance to hear the vile that came out of the mouth of the wealthy, when he thought that black people did not understand what he was saying. The black man also got to see, there is no concept of loyalty in the wealthy man for the poor, again, black people to to see that first hand, because he'd sell off the black man, or his wife and/or his children, he even watched him rape his children and then deny the baby was his... So, there is less illusion in the minds of many black as to the ideology and actuality of the wealthy. We've as a ethnic group see it all.... for 100's of years. We lay out the truth and it takes white people to suffer personal devastation and many times they still don't get it.
White people in masses had no interest in Health Care Programs, because they relied on their jobs to provide it, or the more wealthy could pay for insurance and never miss the money. But when the crash of 2007-2008 came, all of a sudden, when jobs were lost and insurance was lost with it, ONLY THEN, did white people wake up and realize the need for National Health Care. Now, that the jobs numbers are up, as usual, some white people go right back into "selective amnesia" and get on that happy go lucky illusion, to think the wealthy will give them something. All they get is "higher co-pays"and excessively high $$ required deductions for coverage taken from their check.

One can't fix such ignorance, when every time, "many white people" revert right back to "selective amnesia" and get themselves in a happy go lucky mindset as if to set themselves up for the next fleecing. then they act shocked when the fleecing is being done. It's the most insidious thing ever. but the cycle continues.. and the wealthy make grand promises to do better next time, and they fall for it over and over and over.

It's kind like Trump followers, when Trump says something, then when he gets busted he and his whole team try anything to cover it up... and then he will come right out and claim he did not say it. they play the people so well, until they can conjure up phrases such as "alternative facts", and "fake news" and anything because they know their following will suck it up in an instance and never become aware they've been hoodwinked.

Why do you think "poor whites" have existed for 100's of years. Even they had white skin and supposedly had access to anything and everything based on being white, but that was the illusion, what they failed to grasp is they are "poor whites" and the system is designed to ensure they remain a pool of "poor whites". Based on American's Long History of Being a Race Bias society, technically if it was about "white skin" there would be no poor white people in America, because their white skin should have given them everything. But it did not, because gain, "they were and are the poor whites", and they go from generation to generations remaining in the class as being poor whites.

They have not figured it out, because they have access to credit... never realizing that illusion they live on is based on debt, that they can never absolve themselves of. They have been for more than a century plus decades, fleeced with 'rip off designed insurance" that denied them care and coverage when they got sick, and they simply died of many horrible dealt when medical remedy was available, but not for them, even when they paid their money every month. If they did get care, they had such a residual bill, that if they could not pay it, their home would have a lien attached and eventually seized if the medical facility chose to do so. But the medical system was smart enough not to seize it, only to package their liens and sell them as a commodity and gain a profit, while still holding % of the title within the bonds they created. The Poor whites were never expected to learn or understand any of it. It was not meant for them to understand and they made sure of that with the "small print"...

Trump told them, he loves the uneducated... and they never stopped to ask or understand why? instead they took it as if it was a compliment. Now, if that Disaster of a Health Care Bill did not wake them up, then nothing will.

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Old 03-23-2017, 05:19 PM
 
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Remember, this administration is a well-oiled machine.

What a well-oiled machine may look like: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._fire_2010.jpg
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Old 03-23-2017, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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When you hold both Houses of Congress and the White House and you still can't get your signature piece of legislation--the very one that you built your entire party's campaign around--through, that tells you how weak this president is.

Poor Paul Ryan. He was so excited about screwing millions of Americans out of healthcare.

And poor Lil' Donnie--he won't get to take his victory lap around the country now.

SAD!
Another link...


https://a.msn.com/r/2/BByEctL?m=en-us
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Old 03-23-2017, 05:53 PM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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I just hope that whatever plan they come up with will include mental health coverage. Donald Trump could use it - bigly.

Absolutely! Where is that dumb-ass lying Sean Spencer... who said "there is no plan B, there is only plan A, because this is going to pass"!
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Old 03-23-2017, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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Breaking.....vote Monday...maybe:

https://a.msn.com/r/2/BByDYBm?m=en-us
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Old 03-23-2017, 06:02 PM
 
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Breaking.....vote Monday...maybe:

https://a.msn.com/r/2/BByDYBm?m=en-us
Washington Post says they'll vote tomorrow, at Trump's "urging".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.b193d0a25d31

Trump doesn't strike me as a man with much patience.
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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I hope they do vote...and kill it...imagine the tweets!
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:23 AM
 
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Truths that keep coming.... surely many may dismiss what I've previously written, but there are many indicators that tell what I've written is truthful, when it comes to "The Poor", (the poor is made up of poor whites and poor minorities and working poor whites and working poor minorities) and before numbers only look at the pool of minority poor, but now study includes the "white poor", and information is showing high numbers; demonstrating that they have long been with high numbers "among the poor" and with study now telling of the high volume of white poor, maybe now, only because the white poor is being profiled, people will awaken and understand the perspective summary of commentary. White people lived in denial of such things as long as it only talked about "minorities", now that they find they are included and it talks about them.... Now, they want to listen.
Poor and Working Poor whites would do well to stop condemning blacks and other minorities and listen to them, because time continues to prove to the poor and working poor whites, that they are cast in the same boat along with minorities and pushed out to Sea without Sails or and only a small Paddles (if any) by the wealthy. MLK tried to tell the mass of poor and working poor whites this stuff decades ago, but their race bias would not allow them to listen, but time is continually showing them over and over what he had told them, long ago.

Maybe the Truth about Health Care may wake them up, and they may come to understand, it is time to drop all the race bias in the big picture and listen to minorities, working with minorities and fight for the same uplift in value for both themselves and minorities as one group.... as being "American People".

How long before they learn, that is the only means to change the trajectory and vanquish the inequity in American Society.

Yes, the articles tells people.... it is a life a death matter. When we face it, then and only then can we remove the "title game" and get back to "RESPECTING WORKING PEOPLE" and stop hailing the Degree Riders as if they are the only important being in America. When we stop worshiping Title, and think in terms of "people respecting people", then we turn the tide and we can then move on to get some better programming for economic parity among American People.
Then we will have a better society, that is more healthy both individually and economically.
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:33 AM
 
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Conservative columnist David Brooks provides this insight:
The Trump Elite. Like the Old Elite, but Worse!
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It became clear as the legislative process rushed forward that there was no overarching vision in this legislation on how to reform health care or even an organizing thought about how to improve the lives of voters. There was no core health care priority that Republicans identified and were trying to solve.
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Old 03-24-2017, 07:54 AM
 
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Conservative columnist David Brooks provides this insight:
The Trump Elite. Like the Old Elite, but Worse!
Actually that is very true. Their objective began years ago, and that Objective was to promote the aims and efforts to try and make President Obama fail, they thought calling Health Care " Obama Care" would saddle him with a Albatross around his neck, but instead the bill succeeded in achieving health care for millions and it stopped people from having liens attached on their homes, or being denied care and coverage because they had previously been sick, it helped parents cover the care of their children, until they could reach an age to have some established presence in the workforce, it provided to improve care for kids, mental health care and many many aspects of what is care for American people. Then their next mission became to try and "remove the label they attached of "Obama care", because they did not want the program to be credited to him, and they also did not like that it helped "THE POOR" in the ways that it does.
They have no specific elements beyond the aims to address such things and roll back a system to put control in the hands of the Insurance Companies.

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Insurance underwrites Banking, Banking funds Stock Manipulations, and other Financial Institution are wrapped in a web that "spins the roulette wheel of pyramid scheming".... So, no... they don't want to take anything from Insurance, because that is like a "free flowing cash cow that underwrites a massive system of money manipulations.
We the people have to tie the dots. I write about what white people need to wake up to; certainly it fully infuriate some, and strongly angers some and anguish others, and yet it help others who want to grow and learn to pursue more information and research with a more open mind.
Those who do learn and pursue learning come to know its True, that; Civil Rights was of great benefit to white people as well ... and many don't even know it. As the same working poor and dire poor whites need to come to understand, anything and everything they do to try and diminish assistance to minorities, will always boomerang around and engulf them as well. Their ideas would be far different if they did not aspire to the madness fed into their minds by the former institution of slavery long ago, when the slavery institution was "angered beyond belief" that they could no long profit from free slave labor, and they were certainly not to going to give any kind or means to support for former slaves, nor would they be of support to help them transition into a free society, and by every means the forces were in place to deny any and all pathway they could manage, to block economic uplift. They detest the idea of economic parity.
So, the wealthy - Plantation as Industry Heads, used the POOR Whites as the foot soldier, and the more the poor whites pushed dissension, the longer the wealthy could not only keep the poor white wages low, they could at the same time make it difficult for minorities to gain any economic, educational, or any other kind of uplift. So, the program and plan demanded that poor whites be kept down, by "telling them", either you take this low wage and shut up, or I'll hire a black person for less" ... So the poor whites, thought it was black people who held him back, but they did not think deep enough to see it was the Wealth Whites who pitted the poor whites and minorities against each other by that game plan.... (follow the link and truly read the speech, and do so with an open mind to see beyond what you have been taught, and you will learn much)

Still today, the poor whites refused to blame the wealthy whites... when fact is evident, the wealthy are the ones who have the powers who created, "outsourcing", they are the ones who convinced the poor whites to abandon support for Unions, they convinced the poor whites to fight against social and economic programs for the working poor.. and never did they stop to figure out "how they were "USED" and hoodwinked by the wealthy whites.
The Wealthy kept telling them, that "just being white was their ace up the sleeve", but it was a game set up backwards, where that ace was the lowest card in the deck. The King, was the Highest Card in the Deck and the Wealthy held both Jokers, so that so called ace up the sleeve, was "useless"..

Sadly, still many poor and working poor have not figured it out and they refuse to listen to anything that will lead them to the real discovery of such things. They live in a constant state of denial, digging for ways to avoid accepting they have been "hoodwinked for Centuries and Decades" and it was done by using their own skin color in a no win game. When fact is, it was always of design for the Wealthy... and that wealthy was designated for the white men, who had the accessibility and skills to amass money, but what they did not tell them was, even then it was to be class division, between what is called "Old Money" and the lesser class in such arena was called "New Money".... Old Money was like holding Blue Chip Stocks, and New Money is like one with Common Stock.. the highest they could own would be Preferred Stock, but never gain the status to become a centered member of the Blue Chip Stock Holders.

I'm sure many detest this dialog, because most detest "thinking" and abhor the truisms, and prefer "the simplicity of slap stick, Joker type commentary..... But, those who really want to grasp and grow will investigate and it is without a doubt, they can discover these things, if they investigate and research with open eyes and open mind to truly see and to invest themselves to truly understand.

This "Republican Agenda Health Care Bill should awaken even the most obstinate mind to finally open their eyes and their mind, and truly learn what they have denied to acknowledge over a long span of many decades upon decades.

Don't attack the writer... go learn for yourself... if you have the strength to face the truths of what you come to learn.. It will change your life... and make better the future of your offspring's. Dare to Discover Hidden Truth, that were hidden in plain sight, because it was the best means to assure that you'd blind yourself unto it.

Few come to these post and write about such truths, many get hung up on "spin and buzz word" distractions and diversionary sound bits.... but one has to move beyond that to even be prepared to trace back the history that they may understand what has been the outcome in today's society from what is composed in the history.
White society, tells white society, to forget the past... because it does not want them to discover the real truths, but truths of today, are the outcome of what the seeds of history grew into becoming.

the wise tells all mankind, to learn from the past, that you don't keep making the same mistakes over and over and over... that is called... Gaining "knowledge" and from that one can gain Wisdom, and if its adhered unto, then one can gain "Understanding" and faith in understanding is the force that promotes Change.

(Now, why would the wealthy want to ensure you don't know this? Could it very well be, they need you to stay unformed, so that you can keep making and sustaining them to be wealthy? )

Think people..... That's a Gift God gave to you that you not become or remain a slave unto the wealthy and wicked.

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