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My only solace in the knowledge that you really believe the things that you are saying here is that you are not a politician in a position of power.
Sure man. You also had "knowledge" that I never ran a company, but that "knowledge" turned out to be wild, uneducated guess. I am not a politician, which you know because I told you what I do.
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Good luck with your vision.
Thanks. The way things are going with HC, it seems inevitable we will follow where many countries have already gone.
Seriously? You'd rather have the money go to the fat, greedy, inefficient and corrupt federal government? A government that can, through force and threat of imprisonment, continue to take, take, take. An insurance company can't do that, can they?
If you think the government wouldn't become that middleman that you despise, and siphon off money while providing nothing of value in return, you haven't been paying attention to any government agency, ever. Just look at the VA system, for starters.
I own and run my own business. Your conclusions are missing the mark. I do not mean the imply you are ignorant, I am just pointing out the fact that you missed the mark.
Like I said, it is a matter of hashing out the details, and it is not socialistic to create a law which allows employees keep more of their money, especially if the employer can also keep more of theirs.
You supposedly own and run your own business? Then how on earth did you NOT know there is no cap on the Medicare tax?
Seriously? You'd rather have the money go to the fat, greedy, inefficient and corrupt federal government? A government that can, through force and threat of imprisonment, continue to take, take, take. An insurance company can't do that, can they?
Insurance companies exist for one reason and one reason only, to make a profit off of people's healthcare. They serve absolutely no other purpose. If you disagree with that, then answer this simple question: What benefits does the insurance industry provide to improve the quality of care we receive in this country? What purpose do they serve standing between you and your doctor making decisions about your care, decisions that are based solely on shareholder returns and not on even the slightest bit of concern for your medical outcome?
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Originally Posted by ringwise
If you think the government wouldn't become that middleman that you despise, and siphon off money while providing nothing of value in return, you haven't been paying attention to any government agency, ever. Just look at the VA system, for starters.
Let's ask people on Medicare. Tell them you want to take it away and see what happens. Google signs from Tea Party rallies if you don't know the answer. If it's so terrible, why are the seniors continually telling their elected officials to keep their hands off their Medicare?
Insurance companies exist for one reason and one reason only, to make a profit off of people's healthcare. They serve absolutely no other purpose. If you disagree with that, then answer this simple question: What benefits does the insurance industry provide to improve the quality of care we receive in this country? What purpose do they serve standing between you and your doctor making decisions about your care, decisions that are based solely on shareholder returns and not on even the slightest bit of concern for your medical outcome?
Let's ask people on Medicare. Tell them you want to take it away and see what happens. Google signs from Tea Party rallies if you don't know the answer. If it's so terrible, why are the seniors continually telling their elected officials to keep their hands off their Medicare?
Apples and oranges. Medicare is something that those seniors have already paid into. To take it away would be stealing. And yes, it is terrible, and using Medicare as an example just proves the insanity of a single payer. Medicare recipients, in spite of paying in for a lifetime, must buy supplemental coverage for it to be of much use.
I cringe every time I hear someone quote fuzzy math in defense of universal care. There is no such thing as an "employer portion" of taxes for healthcare that they are suddenly going to stop paying. The idea that companies will raise wages and that universal care will lead to wage "bargaining power" is just ludicrous.
Argue for universal care because it's your preference, but don't argue bad math in defense of it. Anyone with a knowledge of business math knows there is no financial windfall coming to US employees as a result of universal care.
Exactly! You said it better than I did.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
I own and run my own business. Your conclusions are missing the mark. I do not mean the imply you are ignorant, I am just pointing out the fact that you missed the mark.
Like I said, it is a matter of hashing out the details, and it is not socialistic to create a law which allows employees keep more of their money, especially if the employer can also keep more of theirs.
So you get to take a tax deduction on the insurance you pay for employees, no? So you aren't really paying what the insurance company charges, right?
I would be very wary of touting any cost savings for UHC. That didn't happen with the ACA. It's not likely to happen with a UHC.
Let's ask people on Medicare. Tell them you want to take it away and see what happens. Google signs from Tea Party rallies if you don't know the answer. If it's so terrible, why are the seniors continually telling their elected officials to keep their hands off their Medicare?
Because they've pre-paid to have access to the Medicare insurance system for decades. That pre-payment totals anywhere from tens of thousands of dollars to millions of dollars per person.
If you paid that much for access to an insurance program (which is NOT free by the way, Medicare charges enrolled seniors both premiums and 20% co-pays) at age 65+, wouldn't you expect to be able to have it, too?
According to the numbers we have discussed here it would far more affordable option.
Yea, kind of like ObamaCare was going to be? I believe NOTHING regarding cost that comes out of a partisan liberal, that dreams of a single payer system.
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