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It seems that vaccinations have made our immune systems weaker. I grew up in the 50s and everyone had all the childhood diseases, measles, mumps, chicken pox etc. Don't remember anyone dying. Now, measles seem to be deadly.
Hate to blow your bubble -- but back then stuff happened but you didn't hear about it.
The first 20 years of licensed measles vaccination in the U.S. prevented an estimated 52 million cases of the disease, 17,400 cases of mental retardation, and 5,200 deaths.[13]
You know how today we don't give kids aspirin because it was found to have an adverse affect on so many. my Mom says that is hogwash.
You know how we keep our kids in car seats up until they are six -- my Mom says it is crazy. She had give kids and none of us died rolling around in the back seat.
Hate to blow your bubble -- but back then stuff happened but you didn't hear about it.
The first 20 years of licensed measles vaccination in the U.S. prevented an estimated 52 million cases of the disease, 17,400 cases of mental retardation, and 5,200 deaths.[13]
You know how today we don't give kids aspirin because it was found to have an adverse affect on so many. my Mom says that is hogwash.
You know how we keep our kids in car seats up until they are six -- my Mom says it is crazy. She had give kids and none of us died rolling around in the back seat.
Meh -- you need a new argument.
Most of those adverse reactions were to German measles (Rubella).
Note that yellow fever vaccine is not routinely given in the US, no one is routinely vaccinated for smallpox any more, we do not use oral polio vaccine, the improved rotavirus vaccine has a lower risk of intussusception, and immunocompromised people are not given live vaccines. Injuries due to fainting can be prevented by simply having the patient lie down for about 15 minutes after the injection. Severe allergic reactions are treatable and rarely fatal.
Guillain-Barré syndrome as a complication of flu vaccine is monitored on an ongoing basis. The risk of GBS, which can be fatal, is higher with flu infection than with the vaccine.
"A study published in 2013 using electronic health record databases reviewed health information on over 13 million vaccinated persons and compared causes of death in the vaccinated study population to the general US population. The death rate 1 or 2 months following vaccination was lower than that in the general US population, and the causes of death were similar. This study provides convincing evidence that vaccinations are not associated with an increased risk of death at the population level."
No, their kids will not die, because they are protected by herd immunity for the most part. However, if they live in a cluster of other vaccine refusing families, their risk of getting sick if someone brings a vaccine preventable disease into their community is higher because herd immunity fails at low vaccination rates.
The usual scenario for measles, for example, is that an unvaccinated person travels to a country where measles still circulates in the population, catches it, and brings it home. Then 90% of the susceptible people exposed to the traveler also get it.
Herd Immunity for whooping cough also? The never vaccinated children spreading that too? Google Florida Pre-school whooping cough. All the children and staff were vaccinated. Maybe discuss wanning vaccinated immunity and the need for more and more people to get that new Tdap booster shot; pregnant women, all who come into contact with a newborn, and of course, every adult whatever their age.
Then there are outbreaks of Mumps on College Campus, and among Professional Athletes. All were fully up to date on their vaccines. Excuse me, but isn't that the purpose of vaccines so you won't catch the disease if you come into contact with someone who has it? I think it was Harvard last year that was encouraging fully vaccinated students to get a 4th MMR shot. More is always better.
There can never be too many vaccines, just like medications.
For those in favor of forced vaccinations, are you also in favor of other forced medical procedures like forced sterilizations? Forced abortions? Forced births?
Where do we draw the line?
Once again you speak in terms of absolutes, which really damages your arguments. It makes me very suspicious.
The science is out there if you don't turn a blind eye. Start with the list I provided.
And by the way, there is much more money in pro-vax than anti-vax.
There is tons of science out there supporting why to get the vaccinations. I have seen in some FB groups the absolutes of how the science that is out there proves that vaccinations are helpful. Just as suzy_q2010 pointed out to you. Boy some of these parents tear it up in support of vaccinations especially when they almost lose a kid (could not get the vaccination because of their age) due to a disease that could have been prevented.
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Originally Posted by Floorist
Forcing vaccinations sounds good until your child is part of the small percentage that has a bad reaction and may even die from them. Every time my stepson got any vaccination, he had a seizure. After he quit getting the shots, he never had another seizure. His specialist ( a neurologist) said the shots were causing them. He also told us that there was a risk of brain damage.
Here is my thought though. Those of us who can handle the vaccinations should get them especially for those who cannot because of medical issues.
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