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Old 04-21-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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That's what makes it so awesome. Conservatives hoped and prayed that legal pot would turn Colorado and Denver into a cesspool of violence. Murder, rape, assault. City on fire, SWAT teams in the streets.

NOPE. None of that happened. Not only did crime in Colorado not go up like conservatives had hoped, but the economy is booming. Denver has the 2nd highest housing market in the USA, after San Fran.

Tourism is booming. Downtown Denver's skyline is filled with cranes and construction. more and more people are moving to Denver from all over the country.

But legalizing pot in Colorado has the economy here exploding. Denver and the surrounding suburbs can't build houses,aapartments, and expand highways fast enough to keep up with the growth.

Sorry, conservatives. You lose this one.
Mostly conservative trump supporting Cop here.

Huge supporter of legal cannabis.

Not all conservatives are prohibitionists
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:20 PM
 
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Should have stayed awake in math class !
And you should have reviewed this thread before posting.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:22 PM
 
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Yup, it also opens people up to new drugs. They are always chasing that better high. Just look at all the heroin now that we have this national drug push.
Wrong again. Another huge fail.

100 million people have tried pot. About 4 million have tried heroin and About half million heroin addicts.

With the "gateway theory" propaganda you're trying to push there should be 100 million heroin addicts.

Correlation is not causation.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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Wrong again. Another huge fail.

100 million people have tried pot. About 4 million have tried heroin and About half million heroin addicts.

With the "gateway theory" propaganda you're trying to push there should be 100 million heroin addicts.

Correlation is not causation.
Honestly 4% and .5% correlation respectively is an astoundingly weak evidence that they are even correlated at all, much less a causal relationship.

I wonder what the correlation between prescription opiate use and heroin is.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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A MASSIVE surge? Those are hardly upticks over the 5/6 year span.

How do these numbers square with population increase over the same period?

This isn't even getting into the fact that while legal in Colorado, it is an all cash business because of the fed. Who would have thought, companies with HUGE amounts of cash on hand, people having to house this money and occasionally transport it, would be robbed/killed by greedy individuals looking to make a fast buck?!
67% increase in homicides is "hardly an uptick"?
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:26 PM
 
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Honestly 4% and .5% correlation respectively is an astoundingly weak evidence that they are even correlated at all, much less a causal relationship.

I wonder what the correlation between prescription opiate use and heroin is.
Correlated in the sense that in most states it's illegal and the dealers sell both
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:29 PM
 
Location: SC
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Boulder County detectives find marijuana plants at scene of triple homicide

I wonder how often alcohol is found at crime scenes. I bet it's more often than pot.
Or dirt found near-by. How many Soil related homicides are there?
Not to mention all the usual suspect insects.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Or dirt found near-by. How many Soil related homicides are there?
Not to mention all the usual suspect insects.
Or milk...how many murders have occurred where milk is present, and don't even get me started on cheese.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:42 PM
 
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67% increase in homicides is "hardly an uptick"?
Wrong, back to math class.

A 67% increase in homicides could be a massive increase or it could be insignificant, it depends on the original rate that is being modified by 1.67 - The reason this is true is because a measure of the rate of change of the murder rate is a meta stat (stat about other stats). And thus it's relevance depends on the primary stats it is measuring.

Scenario 1)
If there are 10 murders in a town of 100,000 and there is a 70% increase in the murder rate you have gone from a .01% murder rate to .017% leaving an actual increase in the odds of getting murdered by .007% which is pretty insignificant. It took a total of 7 murders to equate to a 70% increase. So, one serial killer in this town could raise the entire murder rate of the town by 70% by themselves.

Scenario 2)
If there are 1000 murders in a town of 100,000 and there is a 70% increase in the murder rate you have gone from a 1% muder rate to 1.7% leaving an actual increase in the odds of getting murdered by .7% which is fairly substantial as far as murder rates go. This time, it took a total of 700 additional murders to equate to the same 70% increase.

TL;DR

When you already have a tiny number of murders relative to the population the rate of change when deviances from the norm occur is much higher.

Scenario 1 needed only needed 7 extra murders to exhibit a 70% increase.
Scenario 2 needed 700.
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Old 04-21-2017, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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No, it's not backed up by anything, literally. Mine is backed by simple logic. An illegal hallucinogen was found in the blood of two people who ate other people's faces off. But you would have us believe that it's all a coincidence and the real culprit is some other invisible substance.
The signature of marijuana can be detected for as much as a month after the last time the substance was used. That does not mean they are under the effects anymore than a fat person must have a cake in their stomach.

Also, even if the face eating was caused by marijuana, there are an estimated 40 million regular users of marijuana in the US. Let's say, conservatively, that they smoke 4 times a week on average, that is 160 million instances of marijuana usage per week. over one year, that makes 8,320,000,000 instances of marijuana usage per year.

8,320,000,000 : 2

That is the very definition of an anomaly. You are actually far more likely to have your face eaten by a cougar or a bear than a marijuana user.
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