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Old 05-01-2017, 06:35 AM
 
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"Impossible for a dictatorship to evolve". You my friend are a dreamer.

Absolutely it could happen here, not in the exact form that we saw in the 20th century in Europe and the USSR, and not overnight- but it CAN happen. It might take 20, 30, 40 years, but over that time, the Constitutional protections against Administration over-reach can be gradually whittled away. Trump is starting down that path; one of the most important steps to that goal is opening up the libel laws against the free press. Muzzling and discrediting the free press is essential for any authoritarian, that's why Trump is loudest and most insistent in his attacks on journalism. If he can undermine that brick in the wall, it will be clear to the Fascist Right that the whole structure is vulnerable.
Would it take 20 years? This guy publicly praises thug dictators, privately does business with them, calls the free press "the enemy of the people", calls the constitution "archaic" and "really bad", and holds regular rallies with his voter base. He absolutely talks the talk. He's tried to walk the walk by ruling by decree but so far the courts have kept him on a leash. However if he somehow gets the military to be his own personal agent, that could be a problem.
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Old 05-01-2017, 06:46 AM
 
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Would it take 20 years? This guy publicly praises thug dictators, privately does business with them, calls the free press "the enemy of the people", calls the constitution "archaic" and "really bad", and holds regular rallies with his voter base. He absolutely talks the talk. He's tried to walk the walk by ruling by decree but so far the courts have kept him on a leash. However if he somehow gets the military to be his own personal agent, that could be a problem.
The military can't really stand up to him. He's their Commander in Chief.

Sigh of relief when that first judge put a halt to Trump's Muslim travel ban.

If the courts fold, we're done for.
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Old 05-01-2017, 06:48 AM
 
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The point surpasses Hillary, Any Democrat President would have almost certainly appointed a USSC judge who would oppose the Citizens United decision. So, let me alter my statement...Thank God a Democrat did not win.

The fact is recent history shows the 1st Amendment is most endangered by the left.
LOL which is a funny accusation since it is the right trying to control the media with "alternative facts"!
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Old 05-01-2017, 07:06 AM
 
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The fact is recent history shows the 1st Amendment is most endangered by the left.
Is it backwards day where you live?

You do realize that Trump is the one opposing freedom of speech, calling the free press the "enemy of the people," right?

You do realize that Republicans are the ones pushing their religious BS on the rest of us, right?

You do realize that Republicans are the ones speaking against the the people's right to peaceably assemble, right?

As to redress of grievances, surely you've heard Trump's disparaging remarks about judges and the judiciary. No? Need a link?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Trump's Chief of Staff stated in an interview that they have considered abolishing the 1st Amendment rights.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...-1st-amendment
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Old 05-01-2017, 07:09 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Wait now, hear me out.

Trump has a lot of very smart people, and access to some of the best constitutional scholars in the world. So what the heck is going on?

Some of the best examples are his muslim ban, and the sanctuary cities nonsense.

The Muslim ban? He CALLED it one over and over, as did his administration, AND he put in a exemption for Christians fleeing the area. Everyone talking about it, calls it a Muslim ban, Anyone with a smattering of education in this would point out the problems of making it religious.

What could he have done? Well maybe made it about where the terrorists come from primarily.

But the sanctuary cities stuff is especially concerning. It was CLEARLY not going to pass. Its well established law that funds can only be withheld if they are related to it, AND part of the original law. A first year constitutional lawyer would see problems with this.

So we have a choice. Is his administration complete morons? Or? And the only OR that makes sense to me is that he wants to push for modifying our government by pointing to this, and blaming how our government works, for his chosen failures.

And sure enough today we see things like this:

Donald Trump slams 'archaic' US constitution that is 'really bad' for the country | The Independent

And:
Donald Trump: White House Considering Libel Law Changes | Fortune.com

IE the basic attacks on our constitution, and freedom of press that any dictatorship needs. Add in populist rhetoric, fear, and external enemies.

I feel these last two really put in place the need to consider impeaching him. And sooner rather then later. He has betrayed his oath by announcing his intent to attack our constitution.

If that is true and reversing Obama's EO's with Trump's EO's, that would make it Obama that enacted a dictatorship, the Trump reversed.
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Old 05-01-2017, 07:33 AM
 
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Only in America.

Do we enjoy making our country leader look like a looser. LOL


The world is going Trump right now. Just wait for France. Hint: there's a reason why.
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Old 05-01-2017, 07:39 AM
 
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The military can't really stand up to him. He's their Commander in Chief.

Sigh of relief when that first judge put a halt to Trump's Muslim travel ban.

If the courts fold, we're done for.
I was thinking in terms of a Commander in Chief ordering the military to carry out, for example, a highly questionable domestic action on U.S. citizens. Can't envision how or if it would unfold. Maybe people who know constitutional law could come up with some probable scenarios.
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Old 05-01-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The sign a dictatorship is afoot is when the guy at the highest of the federal justice system, falsifies a warrant and judge shops to spy on journalists and their families.


Trump is a not a wordsmithing lawyer, career politician or journalist, he speaks in generalizations and to take his words litteraly and out of context is to demonstare a conscious effort to defame and diminish him. An elitist attitude which looks down upon anyone who doesn't speak or act like them. Intolerant of cultural variations.


You want change? It is not going to come from someone cut in the form of a traditional politician. these guys have evolved like Darwin's finches to take advantage of their food supply, the American voter.


So many pof trump's words have been distorted and spread as truth to show an inability to communicate by his political opponents who require lies to support their position.


The rigid mindset of the anti trump crowd is disheartening as no solutions can ever escape those prison bars.
The O.P. here clearly has no clue what he's talking about, and from what he said probably only gets his information from MSNBC, CNN, et al, because they are the ones who continually refer to the 'travel ban' E.O. as a "Muslim ban," not anyone else (because that's what they want to believe it is). He also is clueless about the list of "countries of concern" which the ban referred to, which was a list created by the former (Obama) administration, and the reason those countries are on the list is precisely because they are countries that harbor terrorists or train terrorists, or are countries where terrorist groups are known to be active.
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Old 05-01-2017, 10:50 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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"Impossible for a dictatorship to evolve". You my friend are a dreamer.

Absolutely it could happen here, not in the exact form that we saw in the 20th century in Europe and the USSR, and not overnight- but it CAN happen. It might take 20, 30, 40 years, but over that time, the Constitutional protections against Administration over-reach can be gradually whittled away. Trump is starting down that path; one of the most important steps to that goal is opening up the libel laws against the free press. Muzzling and discrediting the free press is essential for any authoritarian, that's why Trump is loudest and most insistent in his attacks on journalism. If he can undermine that brick in the wall, it will be clear to the Fascist Right that the whole structure is vulnerable.
"Trump is starting down that path?" And you didn't thin Obama was? Obama went way down that path! Trump is bring us back.

What exactly has Trump done that makes you think he is "starting down that path?" He has done nothing that is not within his authority or outside of the limits of the Constitution.

The President has the sole authority to set immigration policy. That is what the 'travel ban' did. It limited entry by certain groups of individuals considered to be dangerous and not in the best interest of the United States. "Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952, Section 212 F, Title 8 of USC 1182" Look it up.

Trump isn't in any way interfering with the Free Press. But libel is a problem, when the Press lies with impunity in order to damage a person's reputation, as they have done with Trump (and others as well - Herman Cain comes to mind) The Press has been getting away with murder, and has not been held accountable for their slander.

Who is the "fascist Right," in your opinion?
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Old 05-01-2017, 10:56 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Would it take 20 years? This guy publicly praises thug dictators, privately does business with them, calls the free press "the enemy of the people", calls the constitution "archaic" and "really bad", and holds regular rallies with his voter base. He absolutely talks the talk. He's tried to walk the walk by ruling by decree but so far the courts have kept him on a leash. However if he somehow gets the military to be his own personal agent, that could be a problem.
Trump has never called the Constitution "archaic," but the "progressives" have been calling it archaic and outdated for years. Barack Obama referred to it as a "flawed document." Have you ever questioned this?

Trump does not, nor has he tried to "rule by decree." You are making up stories out of whole cloth. The Courts that have blocked his E.O.'s have stepped beyond their authority in doing so. Why are you not questioning their action? You just seem to accept it.

You people are whining, complaining, and making accusations out of your own ignorance about our government and Constitution.
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