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Old 05-07-2017, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Why has the nation turned away from the Democratic Party?
I like easy questions.

I'm pretty good at 'em.

Dems have neglected their most important campaign message:

Income inequality and robber baron wealth distribution to the top 1% in recent decades have decimated America's middle class. Trade unions, livable minimum wages and fair labor laws need to be their top priorities. And they need to say so - REPEATEDLY. A handful of Dems like Bern and Sherrod Brown tried to get the party (and their prez nominee) to wake up and smell the coffee, but they wasted their breath.

What they've done in recent campaigns has been unbelievably dumb. They've emphasized fringe issues that the vast majority of voters have little or no interest in.

And they've paid with defeat after defeat.

They appear (like tRump) to be very slow learners.
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:46 AM
 
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Democrats use identity politics and for good reason.

Social Fragmentation Suits the Powers That Be

A society that has fragmented into a media-fed cultural war of hot-button identity-gender-religious politics is a society that is incapable of resisting concentrations of power and wealth in the hands of the few at the expense of the many.

The Elites have successfully revolted against the political and economic constraints on their wealth and power, and now the unprivileged, unprotected non-Elites are rebelling in the only way left open to them: voting for anyone who claims to be outside the privileged Elites that dominate our society and economy.

Of Two Minds - Social Fragmentation Suits the Powers That Be
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:51 AM
 
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Interesting website I had not heard of previously.
Yep, it is not a cheerleader website for either party and has many interesting articles. I'm tired of hearing the same old and repeated ad nauseam rhetoric. I found these article interesting.... I've been saying it for a long time but people don't understand because they have either the Poor mans mindset or the Middle Class Mindset. The poor want the middle class lifestyle but don't realize that this lifestyle is because those people are in debt. If they didn't have the debt, most would live just like the poor.

Redefining the Middle Class
Under this new definition, every household one housing-bubble-burst away from the destruction of their home-equity "wealth" isn't really middle class. Neither are households a paycheck or two away from insolvency.

Compare this to what the wealthy own. Note that the bottom 90%'s assets are largely the family home, an asset which is offset by a heavy burden of debt. The wealthy own income-producing assets: business equity, stocks, bonds, trusts and rental real estate.

http://www.oftwominds.com/blogmay17/...class5-17.html

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Old 05-07-2017, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Because they listened to the extreme fringes of the party, that's why. Most Democrats are not "coastal elitists" and do not believe the loony stuff. We believe in good health care for all, opportunities, equality, clean air and environment. We do not like war (and we are not thrilled with Trump and his war mongering) and we want illegals gone but are not in favor of an actual stupid wall. We don't favor one religion over another and we don't believe religions should preach politics--separation of church and state! My church talks about God and love, not how to vote.

So it's because they were influenced by the far left and also that they actually believed the lies of the far right. Most of us are scattered around in different areas of the middle, not far left or far right. So any future candidate who wants to win, should appeal to the people in the middle who have been forgotten.
To this point, the Republicans have continued to be driven to the far right rather than the middle in all honesty. Just look at who Republican voters clung to in the primaries, Cruz and Trump. Kaisch was the only "moderate." Trump is somewhere in between.
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Insurers abandoning ACA the last several years was the best thing to ever happen. It was a horrible piece of legislation which was never fiscally sustainable.
You know what they should do. They should just legalize marijuana, tax the hell out of it and then use that to help subsidize health costs for the poor. I do find it funny, the people who are too poor to afford their own health care and put food on the table for their kids, always seem to have money though for pot, booze and strip clubs.....
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:13 PM
 
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Democrats use identity politics and for good reason.

Social Fragmentation Suits the Powers That Be

A society that has fragmented into a media-fed cultural war of hot-button identity-gender-religious politics is a society that is incapable of resisting concentrations of power and wealth in the hands of the few at the expense of the many.

The Elites have successfully revolted against the political and economic constraints on their wealth and power, and now the unprivileged, unprotected non-Elites are rebelling in the only way left open to them: voting for anyone who claims to be outside the privileged Elites that dominate our society and economy.

Of Two Minds - Social Fragmentation Suits the Powers That Be
I'm old enough to remember when identity politics were called civil rights. That's a cute little rebrand you guys have there.
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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This is the problem the democrat party has. They are in denial that there is even a problem.

33 Gov's are GOP 16 Dem and one independant. 66% GOP. You can't gerrymander a governorship.

29% of hispanics and 8% of Blacks voted for Trump, both improvements over Romney. Are they racists also?
I heard an interesting idea with the gubernatorial and state legislatures on Young Turks the other day. It seems that rather than funnel the money evenly, the Dems funnel the money to the top (federal level) rather than all around (including the states.)
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:26 PM
 
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So how many of these 109 houses are there in your neighborhood?
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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LOL, trump is the one who campaigned on hate ,racism and bigotry.If anyone hates Americans it is the republican party.
No, he didn't.

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This must have been on Faux news. It's Fake news. Don't believe it....
Yes, it is possible it was on MSNBC (Faux news).
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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One reason is that the Democratic Party has become everything it once loathed and was against...elitist, globalist, interventionist, self-serving, warmongering and overflowing with hubris.. In years past, the Democratic Party presented itself as the party of "the working people" against the business interests of banks and corporations.

The current version of the Democratic Party has embraced big banks, financiers, billionaires and corporations, cozying up to Big Money for hundreds of millions in campaign contributions and Super-PAC funding.

As for supporting "the working people"--Hillary's comment about "deplorables" summed up the unspoken view of the Democratic Party elites.

Of Two Minds - Why the Democrats Can't Let Go of Losing
The Democratic party is really the slave party. Plenty of minorities turned away from the democratic party. Also Democratic party is not an unfair party, closet racist, and known classist. All of this nuances alienated many from the Democratic party including myself. Now I'm an independent and proud of it. I can no longer support the Democratic party because it sold out its constituents. Last the Democratic party is the same as the Republican party. Both are the same side of the coin. Trump who is a Democrat at heart hijacked the Republican party. Republicans screwed over its constituents for years.
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