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One where I don't pay anything and the top 5% are taxed enough to pay for the medical insurance for everyone to have Cadillac plans. Ain't gonna happen and it shouldn't, but that's be the best plan for me from a purely selfish perspective.
Here's why that will never happen...
A liberal think tank, the Urban Institute, has projected the additional cost to the Fed Gov for national health care for all to be $3.2 trillion per year.
The top 10% (twice the top 5% amount you mention) earn a total of $4.6 trillion per year. You'd have to slap an EXTRA 50% federal income tax on the top 10% (every household with an income of $133,500 and up) to fund national health care. That will never happen.
The most equitable and feasible way to fund national health care for all would be to implement a 25% national VAT tax like many European/Scandinavian countries already have (and that's on top of their much higher and flatter tax rate bracket national income tax systems).
The plan I had before that jackass lied and took it away from.
I want what I had before ACA that took care of me instead of other people.
I pay my way. Others should too. If they can't, not my problem.
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Actually you don't pay your way. Nobody really does. This is the big myth of the free market, that somehow what you put in is what you get back. You always get back more than what you contribute when it comes to insurance. A government run insurance plan would make sure everybody pays, no exceptions.
Actually T310 might. Not sure just how wealthy but he mentioned having a plane and cruising at 22000 feet. Isnt that a jet? Prop planes top out at 10K feet? Anyway his income appears WAY above the median.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Here's why that will never happen...
A liberal think tank, the Urban Institute, has projected the additional cost to the Fed Gov for national health care for all to be $3.2 trillion per year.
The top 10% (twice the top 5% amount you mention) earn a total of $4.6 trillion per year. You'd have to slap an EXTRA 50% federal income tax on the top 10% (every household with an income of $133,500 and up) to fund national health care. That will never happen.
The most equitable and feasible way to fund national health care for all would be to implement a 25% national VAT tax like many European/Scandinavian countries already have (and that's on top of their much higher and flatter tax rate bracket national income tax systems).
Copays and deductibles would lessen the 3.2T cost. I would go payroll tax FWIW and that includes parts paid by every employee.
Copays and deductibles would lessen the 3.2T cost. I would go payroll tax FWIW and that includes parts paid by every employee.
By how much? Even if it's by 20% (and the poor could NOT afford to pay $50,000 for a $250,000 illness/injury), that would still require a $2.56 trillion payroll tax on America's 97 million workers, or an average of $26,400 per year in extra tax per worker, to fund it. That's not doable. A 25% national VAT tax is the only way to share the costs in a reasonably equitable manner. That's why Europeans/Scandinavians don't balk at paying their 25% national VAT tax: everyone pays, everyone benefits.
Actually you don't pay your way. Nobody really does. This is the big myth of the free market, that somehow what you put in is what you get back. You always get back more than what you contribute when it comes to insurance. A government run insurance plan would make sure everybody pays, no exceptions.
Government run health care is the big myth. It simply doesn't work anywhere. I lived in the UK for a number of years, and the National Health Service (NHS) is one of more often used shining examples of what the national system should look like down here in the U.S. The NHS has been in the red for decades. Care rationing, and wait lists are very real things in the U.K. It is a bit better for those that opt to purchase private insurance on top of the NHS care, but for those relying solely on the NHS provided care, it isn't so rosy. There is a serious struggle to recruit and retain physicians, and nurses because there is no incentive to slog through years of medical or nursing school, only to end up struggling to make ends meet on the young physicians salary.
Government run health care is the big myth. It simply doesn't work anywhere. I lived in the UK for a number of years, and the National Health Service (NHS) is one of more often used shining examples of what the national system should look like down here in the U.S. The NHS has been in the red for decades. Care rationing, and wait lists are very real things in the U.K. It is a bit better for those that opt to purchase private insurance on top of the NHS care, but for those relying solely on the NHS provided care, it isn't so rosy. There is a serious struggle to recruit and retain physicians, and nurses because there is no incentive to slog through years of medical or nursing school, only to end up struggling to make ends meet on the young physicians salary.
There are 58-59 countries with universal healthcare, you'd have to discount them all.
No system is perfect and I don't recall the NHS being held up as a "shining example," but it outperforms the current US system on cost, result and patient satisfaction. You find Brits who acknowledge the benefits of the NHS all the time, and many who have never paid a dime out of pocket in their lives. Are you suggesting the US has better or more affordable health care?
How so? No country in the world has national housing for all, yet shelter is even more of a basic necessity of life than is health care.
Most Scandinavian countries have legal provisions to provide housing for the destitute.
There's no denying that some people are too effed up to handle an offer like that, or too proud - but the laws are there. If you're legal resident in Denmark and walk into the city office saying "I have no place to live", one must be provided.
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