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Some have to see a negative in everything, even if it doesn't exists. They are CRIMINALS.
Arresting gang members for crimes is not a bad thing and none here suggested it was, good grief. That said, ICE does not have the legal jurisdiction to be acting as Police Officers, and as such many of those gang members will be lawyering up and in the end my actually end up getting set free. If you are going to catch criminals and put them in jail then you have to do the right legal way, or not, and see your efforts fall flat.
Arresting gang members for crimes is not a bad thing and none here suggested it was, good grief. That said, ICE does not have the legal jurisdiction to be acting as Police Officers, and as such many of those gang members will be lawyering up and in the end my actually end up getting set free. If you are going to catch criminals and put them in jail then you have to do the right legal way, or not, and see your efforts fall flat.
They are a police force, immigration police enforcing immigration laws. They will turn over criminals to the corresponding agencies of the relevant crimes. Why the mental gymnastics for no apparent reason? It's almost as if you don't want to catch criminals.
Murder is now a customs and immigration crime? Really?
the point is if a few dozen US citizens were arrested I would presume they were simply conspirators with aliens in illegal activity. But this sounds the other way around...they are chasing Americans rather than immigrants.
And I would think the charter of ICE would be to get rid of illegal aliens particularly of the criminal sort. If they are catching two thirds Americans it would raise questions about whether resources where being properly directed.
Now maybe it is true that illegal custom and immigration actions are run by mostly Americans. But I have heard no one make that claim.
So is the drug, arms, people smuggling being run by aliens or by Americans?
Who cares?
ICE is charged with the task of arresting those engaged in such activities. If they are in the country illegally, then that becomes another issue, assigned also to ICE.
What you "think" the charter of ICE is, is immaterial. No one cares what you "think" their charter "should" be.
They are a police force, immigration police enforcing immigration laws. They will turn over criminals to the corresponding agencies of the relevant crimes. Why the mental gymnastics for no apparent reason? It's almost as if you don't want to catch criminals.
Good grief.
ICE is expressly prohibited from detaining citizens, they were ASSISTING law enforcement in this action. period. And they are not "police officers".
So most of them were US citizens. 933 out of 1400. Just WTF are we supposed to do with that? You can't deport US citizens just because they are criminals. We have to pay for our own losers.
Clearly, you need to educate yourself.
ICE arrests many people who are Americans and are engaged in cross border illegal activities. They go to US prisons.
Arresting gang members for crimes is not a bad thing and none here suggested it was, good grief. That said, ICE does not have the legal jurisdiction to be acting as Police Officers, and as such many of those gang members will be lawyering up and in the end my actually end up getting set free. If you are going to catch criminals and put them in jail then you have to do the right legal way, or not, and see your efforts fall flat.
Good Grief!
What planet do you people live on?! You know absolutely nothing!
They are a police force, immigration police enforcing immigration laws. They will turn over criminals to the corresponding agencies of the relevant crimes. Why the mental gymnastics for no apparent reason? It's almost as if you don't want to catch criminals.
Good grief.
Every agency has legal jurisdiction over certain areas, ICE is not authorized to simply conduct raids on anyone without just cause that something within their sphere of operations is taking place, if we are talking criminal activity it is the job of local law enforcement, DEA, or FBI to deal with that as it warrants. If you are half a smart as you seem to think you are then you would know that half the battle is arresting criminals and the other half is getting a conviction. Otherwise you are wasting your time because a good lawyer will find reasons to get the case thrown out, is that what You want? I want those arrested to do time, not find legalities that will set them free. It is not mental gymnastics, it is thinking ahead so that all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, try it some time instead of making claims that others that do think ahead are against your goal when they are not.
But regarding their powers to arrest, pursuant to 8 U.S. Code 1357
(a) Powers without warrantAny officer or employee of the Service authorized under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General shall have power without warrant—
(1) to interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien as to his right to be or to remain in the United States;
(2) to arrest any alien who in his presence or view is entering or attempting to enter the United States in violation of any law or regulation made in pursuance of law regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, or to arrest any alien in the United States, if he has reason to believe that the alien so arrested is in the United States in violation of any such law or regulation and is likely to escape before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the alien arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay for examination before an officer of the Service having authority to examine aliens as to their right to enter or remain in the United States;
(3) within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States, to board and search for aliens any vessel within the territorial waters of the United States and any railway car, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle, and within a distance of twenty-five miles from any such external boundary to have access to private lands, but not dwellings, for the purpose of patrolling the border to prevent the illegal entry of aliens into the United States;
(4) to make arrests for felonies which have been committed and which are cognizable under any law of the United States regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, if he has reason to believe that the person so arrested is guilty of such felony and if there is likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the person arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay before the nearest available officer empowered to commit persons charged with offenses against the laws of the United States; and
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