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Old 05-20-2017, 02:42 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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High crimes and misdemeanors is a term meant to cover a broad range of crimes. And treason and bribery had common understandings at the time the Constitution was ratified. Without pointing to any law that Trump broke, there can be no serious talk of impeachment. Sure, in theory Congress could impeach the president even if the president broke no law. But while the courts are often skeptical about stepping into the middle of political battles, moving to impeach for a non-crime would be beyond a political battle and the courts would have no trouble stepping up in such a scenario. Even if there is disagreement about what high crimes and misdemeanors means exactly, there can be little serious disagreement that the phrase refers to criminal wrongdoing. And as Trump and associates are not alleged to have broken any crimes as Dershowitz points out, impeachment isn't a serious conversation worth having. Of course, from a political standpoint impeachment is off the table anyway in the absence of criminal wrongdoing as Ryan wouldn't allow it.
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Old 05-20-2017, 02:54 AM
 
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According to Dershowitz using the office of POTUS to halt a FBI investigation of a comrade and appointee is not Obstruction? I'd like to hear from other "respected" legal minds on that subject.

And what a hoot, that Trump supporters are turning to Dershowitz for comfort! Ahahahahahaha

Maybe Fox and Tucker Carlson would only give Alan the free media if he gave them hope?
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Old 05-20-2017, 03:30 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I don't mind an investigation if there are actual, credible allegations of criminal wrongdoing. But, like Alan Dershowitz has stated, no one has produced any law that President Trump/his campaign would have violated with his/their decisions. Otherwise, an investigation--specifically a DOJ investigation--seems to be a waste of time and money. Note, I don't have an inherent problem with Congress investigating, even if there are no allegations of lawlessness as Congress can be political, while DOJ should not be.

As for emails, that was a criminal probe where the law at issue/allegations of wrongdoing were clear. Benghazi was a Congressional probe, which I already spelled out a key difference.
Wasting time and money, is the only thing that our 'esteemed' representatives in congress know how to do. They are the all time masters at it.
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Old 05-20-2017, 03:33 AM
 
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According to Dershowitz using the office of POTUS to halt a FBI investigation of a comrade and appointee is not Obstruction? I'd like to hear from other "respected" legal minds on that subject.

And what a hoot, that Trump supporters are turning to Dershowitz for comfort! Ahahahahahaha

Maybe Fox and Tucker Carlson would only give Alan the free media if he gave them hope?
It`s called whistling in the graveyard. Trump is toast and those with measurable IQs know it.
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Old 05-20-2017, 03:36 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Default What's the crime? Dershowitz: Special cousel might help Trump

So far, there is no evidence of any crime. No evidence of Russian involvement. Nothing. So why the special counsel? Deshowitz says there shouldn't be one, and it will in the end help Trump.

Dershowitz questions Russia counsel: Where's the crime? | On Air Videos | Fox News

Dershowitz says there is no obstruction of justice even if Trump did tell the FBI to end the investigation [of Flynn]; that isn't obstruction of justice because the President has the right to direct the FBI.
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Old 05-20-2017, 04:45 AM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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When this ends, the loony left and demetiacrats will then cry:

Trump got help from the ______________ getting off on all 'charges'.

Maxine the fool will restart her stupid rambling......

The established political media will continue their collusion with each other to seditiously undermine the current administration till the next election and beyond.

The few remaining dementiacrats in office will continue to try to stalemate every piece of legislation they can.
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Old 05-20-2017, 06:44 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Obviously, everyone above are Trump supporters...
Or supporters of the rule of law, something that seems to be foreign to the bleating masses...
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Old 05-20-2017, 06:49 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Maybe he'll be right. I'll be the first to say that I don't know on any factual basis that Trump did anything illegal. Maybe he'll come through clean. And I highly doubt Trump will be impeached like some are saying.

The difference between me and you is that I want the investigation to be carried out and for the truth to come out either way. You want to conclude and make things go away before facts are known. Why is Trump working overtime to obstruct the investigation? Given how he made it worse thus far, resolution of the investigation should be in his favor rather than cover up. If he has nothing to hide, this will only strengthen him.

You guys pushed Benghazi for YEARS. Hillary was dogged by her emails for a long, long time. Both of those are fine - investigate away - but why are you so selective in what you want looked into?
I agree with Dershowitz, the Special Counsel is wrong and the way it should have gone is an independent commission open to the public so we can see the examination of all parties and make our own decisions as voters.

THAT would have made the Democrats look like upfront and concerned legislators unlike how it looks now...
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Old 05-20-2017, 06:50 AM
 
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I agree with Dershowitz, the Special Counsel is wrong and the way it should have gone is an independent commission open to the public so we can see the examination of all parties and make our own decisions as voters.

THAT would have made the Democrats look like upfront and concerned legislators unlike how it looks now...
Dems are the majority party ¿???????
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Old 05-20-2017, 06:51 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Obstruction of justice is a crime, it's what brought down Nixon.
You're right, it is BUT nothing Trump has said (based on Comey memo) rises to that level and won't no matter how hard the MSM and some in congress try to push that narrative.
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