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Old 06-13-2017, 12:14 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas View Post
What is interesting is this is the same guy behind the Star investigations and the same one that praised Mueller when he was appointed. Why anyone gives Newt the time of day is amazing, the guy is a hack that changes his opinion with the wind, or the appoint of his wife to a nice job.
Newt is trying to make some money. His new book is out called "Understanding Trump" so he is making the rounds and will do anything that draws attention and sales.
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:15 PM
 
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Let us take a look at the law.


First, the Code of Federal Regulations:


https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retriev...T&n=pt28.2.600


For those that do not wish to read said regulations, this is a good detailed article:


Special Counsel Q&A - FactCheck.org


Now, the thing about 'friendship' being a disqualification for Mr. Mueller to serve? I can't readily find such. It would be an odd qualifier to find in these laws.


It would appear that the Deputy Attorney General did not believe, in his judgment, that Mr. Mueller and Mr. Comey having been friends would disqualify Mr. Mueller, or that Mr. Mueller would be more prone to believe Mr. Comey over Mr. Trump.


I will note that Leon Jarwoski was a 'friend' of LBJ, and yet voted twice for Richard Nixon. His integrity was such that he was readily appointed to conduct the Watergate investigation after the firing of Mr. Cox.


Indeed, Mr. Cox himself was considered a man of integrity, with Nixon becoming upset when he realized that the Watergate investigation was starting to hone in on HIM. Mr. Cox subpoenaed the President's tapes. Mr. Nixon personally ordered Mr. Cox to cease and desist in his efforts to obtain the recordings, which Mr. Cox refused, resulting in his firing (Saturday Night Massacre).


Those that support Mr. Trump in this particular matter have been dealt a poor hand. To try and claim that Mr. Mueller is disqualified to serve is akin to a dog barking at the moon. Even if Mr. Trump were to have Mr. Mueller fired, another person will take his place (and no, it will not be Chris Christie or Giuliani), or (as noted) Congress could even appoint their own special counsel.
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:21 PM
 
Location: PGI
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As it has been stated here correctly several times, Trump cannot fire Mueller. He can do like Nixon did and order the guy who can fire him to do so. Trump could fire Sessions, Rosenstein or whoever is in the position to fire Mueller if they don't comply with his order but he can't fire Mueller directly.

Even a 6th grader with basic knowledge about how things work would know every failed attempt to get rid of Mueller would be another nail in his coffin. Should anyone comply with Trump's order to fire Mueller, that would mark a quick end to the Trump presidency.

Rosenstein testified under oath he knows no good reason to fire Mueller.


To understand the weight of an attorney testifying under oath, consider the fear attorneys have toward being disbarred. It is the end of their career, completely. Finis. When under oath, politics are meaningless if supporting a political agenda can result in disbarment.

I doubt there's a single attorney in politics today who hasn't learned the lessons of Watergate. You can expect every statement they make under oath to be made with those lessons forefront in their minds.
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:22 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Rod Rosenstein would have to fire him, Trump cannot. He's the guy who hired him. Don't count on it.
Wrong. The President not only has the Constitutional authority to fire the Special Counsel, he may also shut down the investigation entirely. This, he should do.
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:28 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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So you think Constitutional Lawyers have a pretty good understanding of what is appropriate and what is not with regards to the Presidency? That's interesting.

I bet I can think of at least one Constitutional Lawyer (US Born, BTW) who would differ.
Like whom? If you are referring to Barack Obama, he was not a Constitutional Lawyer. He has never tried a case before the Supreme Court, nor was he even a Constitutional Law Professor, as he claimed. He was a lecturer only. In fact, has Barack Obama ever tried any case at all?

It's not a matter of "what is appropriate." It's a matter of what the President has the power under the Constitution to do. The President has the power to fire the FBI Director, the Special Counsel (or a Special Prosecutor), and he has the power to shut down the investigation.

The specific Law says, you may not serve as Special Counsel if you have a close personal relationship with a key pivotal witness.

Comey and Mueller are close personal friends, "joined at the hip" according to one commentator. Comey is a key pivotal witness.
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Wrong. The President not only has the Constitutional authority to fire the Special Counsel, he may also shut down the investigation entirely. This, he should do.
And if he did you can kiss your golden one goodbye because Congress would have ZERO choice but to act and come down on Trump Hard, meaning removal from office. The investigation would continue on to find all the illegalities and to see if charges should be filed and on whom, but trump would not be in the oval office. Count on that
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:38 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Hey libs...if Mueller starts seriously ripping into the Obama administration's part in the leaks to the media in order to influence the outcome of a presidential election, would you support Mueller being fired then?
That's really all you have anymore, don't you? If Obama. . .Hilary. . . What about Obama? Obama is just a regular guy now. Trump is the guy in the Oval Office. You won. Get over the Obama excuse already.
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You make zero sense. Lynch should not have meddled in the Clinton email investigation. She however never asked that it be dropped per the reports. She asked that it be described in different less-unflattering terms. She should not have done this. Donald Trump however asked that the FBI director (who he later fired because of the investigation) to drop the investigation against one of his friends. That is a far more serious act and one done by a person still in government.
How do you know ? Comey wouldn't even give it over to a grand jury to make a determination if Hillary should be indicted. Obstruction right there!!
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:46 PM
 
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That's really all you have anymore, don't you? If Obama. . .Hilary. . . What about Obama? Obama is just a regular guy now. Trump is the guy in the Oval Office. You won. Get over the Obama excuse already.
They been counterpunching for nearly a decade, now its all they know how to do. Gonna look pretty silly in 3 years when they are still kicking the same dead horses.
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:47 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Let us take a look at the law.


First, the Code of Federal Regulations:


https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retriev...T&n=pt28.2.600


For those that do not wish to read said regulations, this is a good detailed article:


Special Counsel Q&A - FactCheck.org


Now, the thing about 'friendship' being a disqualification for Mr. Mueller to serve? I can't readily find such. It would be an odd qualifier to find in these laws.


It would appear that the Deputy Attorney General did not believe, in his judgment, that Mr. Mueller and Mr. Comey having been friends would disqualify Mr. Mueller, or that Mr. Mueller would be more prone to believe Mr. Comey over Mr. Trump.


I will note that Leon Jarwoski was a 'friend' of LBJ, and yet voted twice for Richard Nixon. His integrity was such that he was readily appointed to conduct the Watergate investigation after the firing of Mr. Cox.


Indeed, Mr. Cox himself was considered a man of integrity, with Nixon becoming upset when he realized that the Watergate investigation was starting to hone in on HIM. Mr. Cox subpoenaed the President's tapes. Mr. Nixon personally ordered Mr. Cox to cease and desist in his efforts to obtain the recordings, which Mr. Cox refused, resulting in his firing (Saturday Night Massacre).


Those that support Mr. Trump in this particular matter have been dealt a poor hand. To try and claim that Mr. Mueller is disqualified to serve is akin to a dog barking at the moon. Even if Mr. Trump were to have Mr. Mueller fired, another person will take his place (and no, it will not be Chris Christie or Giuliani), or (as noted) Congress could even appoint their own special counsel.
FactCheck.org is not a credible source for checking 'facts.'

I'll take Jay Sekulow's word on the Law covering "Special Counsel" before anyone else's. He has the Law experience, and is a seasoned Lawyer (quite successful, I might add) with Supreme Court experience (Supreme Court Cases are what he usually does).

As a Supreme Court litigator, he has a thorough understanding of the Law and the Constitution.
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