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Old 06-17-2017, 07:49 PM
 
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My comment was to this below that you said.

Sure murder rates are disproportionately high.....You intentionally keep people poor and over policed, they are going to have more problems.

You are making excuses for the disproportion. Being poor or having too many cops in your neighborhood is not an excuse to shoot another person. Like I said millions of poor people don't shoot anyone every day.
i explained the disproportion. You put people in ghettos and keep them poorer they are going turn to crime. And i'm not even talking about robbery/murder...many of these are interpersonal family related crimes exacerbated by poverty and living in a constant police state. Like i said, people like you will act like history has no context and things are the way they are out of nowhere. It's silly to continue if you're not going to fully recognize that a certain group has generations of systematic oppression to deal with. Expecting blacks to just "catch up" after only being rid of Jim Crown in the 70's is silly. And you're point about millions of people not shooting each other...millions of blacks don't shoot each other, yet black murder rates are associated with all blacks. LIKE I SAID, blacks are the only group yall bring up intra-racial crime with.

 
Old 06-17-2017, 07:52 PM
 
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I have no clue about the culture appropriation thing , so I have never flip flopped on this. The black culture is toxic to blacks, and is a result of much of their misery.
what part of black culture that's crime related is unique to blacks?
 
Old 06-17-2017, 07:53 PM
 
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i explained the disproportion. You put people in ghettos and keep them poorer they are going turn to crime. And i'm not even talking about robbery/murder...many of these are interpersonal family related crimes exacerbated by poverty and living in a constant police state. Like i said, people like you will act like history has no context and things are the way they are out of nowhere. It's silly to continue if you're not going to fully recognize that a certain group has generations of systematic oppression to deal with. Expecting blacks to just "catch up" after only being rid of Jim Crown in the 70's is silly. And you're point about millions of people not shooting each other...millions of blacks don't shoot each other, yet black murder rates are associated with all blacks. LIKE I SAID, blacks are the only group yall bring up intra-racial crime with.
Its not an explanation, its an excuse. I didn't bring up anything or talk about any of the issues you are ranting about. I am tired of poverty being used as an excuse to do crime, especially murder, and addressed that stance you have taken. And I don't care what color the perp or victim is.
 
Old 06-17-2017, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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i explained the disproportion. You put people in ghettos and keep them poorer they are going turn to crime. And i'm not even talking about robbery/murder...many of these are interpersonal family related crimes exacerbated by poverty and living in a constant police state. Like i said, people like you will act like history has no context and things are the way they are out of nowhere. It's silly to continue if you're not going to fully recognize that a certain group has generations of systematic oppression to deal with. Expecting blacks to just "catch up" after only being rid of Jim Crown in the 70's is silly. And you're point about millions of people not shooting each other...millions of blacks don't shoot each other, yet black murder rates are associated with all blacks. LIKE I SAID, blacks are the only group yall bring up intra-racial crime with.
I remember the day when whitey came into my ghetto and forced this non-white cat to start committing crimes.

I believe it was a Tuesday.
 
Old 06-17-2017, 07:59 PM
 
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Its not an explanation, its an excuse. I didn't bring up anything or talk about any of the issues you are ranting about. I am tired of poverty being used as an excuse to do crime, especially murder, and addressed that stance you have taken. And I don't care what color the perp or victim is.
again, if you don't understand history and context as it relates to blacks in america...you're just talking about something you're not qualified to speak on.

Explain to me, how if a cop shoots a black person its okay to say "Well black crime rates you have no control over...is the reason you got shot".

And, then tell us why other groups, with the exception of muslims currently, don't have to constantly be associated with their criminals. Do you have some connection to Dylan Roof or James Holmes? Should you be connected with them? Should you be gunned down because of Charles Manson?
 
Old 06-17-2017, 08:01 PM
 
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I remember the day when whitey came into my ghetto and forced this non-white cat to start committing crimes.

I believe it was a Tuesday.
"i can't refute anything...start joking... and strawmanning....and using terms from 70s blaxploitation movies"

right?
 
Old 06-17-2017, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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"i can't refute anything...start joking... and strawmanning....and using terms from 70s blaxploitation movies"

right?
I'm refuting your nonsense by my existence.

Poor dark-skinned ghetto kid gets a master's, joins the middle class, and shares ownership in a business.

Whitey failed.

Or is he still working on my demise?

 
Old 06-17-2017, 08:14 PM
 
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The officer who killed Philando Castile should be in prison. Period. Killing Castile wasn't necessary.

I admit that a disproportional amount of crime is committed by Black males. No one is discounting that. That is nothing new. However, that does not justify shooting someone if they aren't trying to kill you.

This is what I make of the Philando Castile verdict. This whole police brutality issue has racial implications to it, but there is something more that isn't looked at. Gender. Within the Black population, it's mostly the men getting killed by police officers. There have been many cases of women being violent towards the police. On the occasion that women (Black women included) are violent towards the police, there is a lesser chance of getting killed. I can find cases where women have had fights with police officers and were taken into custody with so much as a scratch on them. Men are more likely to get knocked out or shot. Black men are the most likely to get killed by the police on the occasion that they get belligerent with police.

This is the thing. Blacks are looked down on far more, relative to other groups. Black males are not only the most looked down on, they are feared the most. When you're looked down on and feared all at once, your chances of getting killed go up. For decent law-abiding Black men, they will have to be extra careful not to even appear scary in any way. It doesn't take alot for someone to say "he scared me" or "I was in fear of my life" when it comes to Black men. Black women are looked down on alot. However, Black men have a higher chance of dealing with the fear factor. I still remember someone calling the police for "disturbing the peace". My crime? I rolled my eyes and walked off in disgust. I don't care if you don't believe it. That actually happened. I got lucky because the officer could look at me and tell I wasn't a threat.
 
Old 06-17-2017, 08:15 PM
 
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again, if you don't understand history and context as it relates to blacks in america...you're just talking about something you're not qualified to speak on.

Explain to me, how if a cop shoots a black person its okay to say "Well black crime rates you have no control over...is the reason you got shot".

And, then tell us why other groups, with the exception of muslims currently, don't have to constantly be associated with their criminals. Do you have some connection to Dylan Roof or James Holmes? Should you be connected with them? Should you be gunned down because of Charles Manson?
So a poor black has a more valid historical reason to shoot someone than a poor white? He should be relieved of his/her responsibility to adhere to existing laws because of Jim Crow or slavery? I did not bring race into our conversation. You have. Poverty is not an excuse to commit murder. Period. No matter your color.
 
Old 06-17-2017, 08:16 PM
 
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Feel free to point out where I have, knock yourself out.


Feel free to claim you have never spoken in terms of black people, white people, etc. Im sure we will all believe your claim you have not
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