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Technically-the law works both ways. If a woman is "approaching liftoff" the man has no more "right" to withdraw consent than the woman does. But heck, lets not let facts ruin anything.
Why doesn't a man have a right to withdraw consent whenever he chooses? He does.
Technically-the law works both ways. If a woman is "approaching liftoff" the man has no more "right" to withdraw consent than the woman does. But heck, lets not let facts ruin anything.
Neither scenario is okay. What gives you the idea that anyone would think that's okay either?
If anyone of either gender says no at any time, and the other person of either gender refuses to stop, that qualifies as rape.
Does the ruling apply to husband-wife relationship?
My wife usually has the behavior of "No-Yes-No-Yes" for sex. When she says NO, it does not mean that she really means stop. And in fact if I really stop, I think she will be unhappy.
Even before getting married, she also had the same kind of "No-Yes-No-Yes" reaction for sex.
I would say it is quite hard for boyfriend or husband to distinguish between the soft "No" and hard "No".
Does the ruling apply to husband-wife relationship?
My wife usually has the behavior of "No-Yes-No-Yes" for sex. When she says NO, it does not mean that she really means stop. And in fact if I really stop, I think she will be unhappy.
Even before getting married, she also had the same kind of "No-Yes-No-Yes" reaction for sex.
I would say it is quite hard for boyfriend or husband to distinguish between the soft "No" and hard "No".
Soft no? Hard no? Huh?
If it's that much of a problem, accept the no. If she is unhappy, tell her she shouldn't have said no.
Does the ruling apply to husband-wife relationship?
My wife usually has the behavior of "No-Yes-No-Yes" for sex. When she says NO, it does not mean that she really means stop. And in fact if I really stop, I think she will be unhappy.
Even before getting married, she also had the same kind of "No-Yes-No-Yes" reaction for sex.
I would say it is quite hard for boyfriend or husband to distinguish between the soft "No" and hard "No".
If your partner is telling you "No" this much, you may want to consider upping your game.
Or possibly, having a conversation to find out what she means really.
The law here is to prevent an individual from changing their mind on consent during sex. If he or she says no midway and the other person respects that, it's not rape. But if they continue after "no" was given, then yes it is rape.
I don't agree. It is not rape at that point.
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yes no yes no yes no yes no
Warning shots, grab your pants and run!
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Originally Posted by Scrat335
Ah Ah, make up your mind or I'll go elsewhere.
Knowing one's partner would also help.
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Originally Posted by latimeria
Well, in the interest of being fair to all, should a woman or a man have to complete the act just because they consented before learning/experiencing something that they would not have agreed to, if they had been informed it was part of the sexual experience to come? No matter what that something entails? Something that is not a stereotypical part of sex and would not be expected?
You aren't really up on what is considered "stereotypical part of sex" these days. "Anything goes". I can see saying no if it becomes overwhelming/violent, etc. but that becomes sexual assault, not rape.
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A witnessed document signed and dated, including time and duration of offer along with a drug and alchol test required before physical contact.
Female can tap out at any time, just like wrestling or a cage match.
Some cases would be discretionary, such as if you speeded up to beat a red light or rushed thru the cautioinary yellow light. Legal argument of 'couldn't stop in time' would be judged against the video.
A video would be mandatory and serve much the same as a red light camera. Each participant and witness gets a copy.
I was telling my husband a couple weeks ago that this would be the only way to truly protect one's self when it comes to a sexual act. I suspect that is the future.
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Or how about you just respect your partner? Crazy, right?
Many that agree to having sex don't respect the person, it has nothing to do with respect in many cases.
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At that point I don't consider it rape. I think it's a different sort of crime, or maybe not even a "crime" at all but something else. Maybe this is people learning that they should be more cautious with who they have sex with. That could lead to reflection and self reckoning and maybe they realize they are not living life right and are part of their own problem.
It's probably something in the middle but everyone wants to be 100% correct and the other to be 100% in the wrong so they don't have to face their own bad judgment.
That's what I think and the article did touch on that. They aren't sure what, but sexual assault was one of the choices they were looking at.
As a woman, agreeing to have sex, being involved in the act, what should be my expectations to what should happen? I haven't said "no" to the sex, but I change my mind and say "no" in the middle, no real reason, I'm bored, it doesn't immediately stop and I call "rape". Some women like it rough. Some like rape scenarios. Yep, that's the world we live in. Lots of people have sex with people they barely know.
Sexual freedom has a price, be willing to pay it no matter what your gender.
Not rape. Possibly sexual assault if it is rough. I know someone now going through a trial with rape as the issue, interesting and glad it isn't me.
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Yeah, I know.
Which woman wants to sleep with a guy who only wants to "finish"? lol
To me, the no means no argument is basically this, A woman or man may withdraw consent during sex because the sex has become too rough or uncomfortable for their liking.
Agree and if it continues it is sexual assault, just not rape.
My concern, and the reason I can neither vote yes nor no, is what constitutes revoking consent? I'm concerned that any explicit law may word it in such a way as to make it retroactive, meaning she says yes, they start, she says no, then even if the guy withdraws immediately, it legally becomes rape.
If someone told me to stop in the middle of it, I'd stop. Because what sort of person would keep going?
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