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he didn't go outside to "help" he went outside at 10pm because he heard a crash and commotion. He wasn't sitting around diddling with a police scanner. If I heard a crash and commotion outside my apartment at 10pm I'd go inspect my car. Does he have a right to protect his property or not?
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According to the report he heard a "commotion" that entailed either
A. Shots fired
B. Shots fired/crash
C. Crash
Which means...
A. You stay inside.
B. You stay inside (inspect outside property once you ascertain an all clear scene by calling the dept)
C. You investigate but if you simply heard a crash why grab your piece for a car wreck?
ANSWER? YOU DON'T.
Sorry my friend. Dude went out after hearing either A or B. That's why he had his piece. And that was the dumbest thing he or anyone else could do.
He could have been shot dead. Even if he ran onto the scene and identified himself, eventually someone else could show up, and just see a male with a weapon. The first thought isn't likely to be 'off-duty cop'.
And I think we've seen enough cases where this is particularly true if you're a black male.
No Doubt
At least he didnt have 7 bullets fired at him. Maybe the other cop was just a really bad shot. They dont aim for the arms.
He could have been shot dead. Even if he ran onto the scene and identified himself, eventually someone else could show up, and just see a male with a weapon. The first thought isn't likely to be 'off-duty cop'.
And I think we've seen enough cases where this is particularly true if you're a black male.
Before this incident happened if you would have asked the off-duty cop what his thoughts are on people, regardless if they are off-duty LE or not, coming out of their homes after hearing all hell breaking loose to try to assist him in a pursuit/at a crime scene I'm sure he would have not been in favor of it...AT ALL.
No uniform. No radio. No knowledge of the situation. Carrying a weapon. That's not going to help the situation.
He made a mistake and like I said, one suspect got away. Could that suspect have been caught if cops weren't securing the scene created by the off-duty cop?
If Barney Fife and his racist itchy trigger finger (as it appears to be right now) hadn't showed up and put a slug in this dude's arm I think the department would be investigating why the off-duty cop felt it necessary to do what he did.
According to the report he heard a "commotion" that entailed either
A. Shots fired
B. Shots fired/crash
C. Crash
Which means...
A. You stay inside.
B. You stay inside (inspect outside property once you ascertain an all clear scene by calling the dept)
C. You investigate but if you simply heard a crash why grab your piece for a car wreck?
ANSWER? YOU DON'T.
Sorry my friend. Dude went out after hearing either A or B. That's why he had his piece. And that was the dumbest thing he or anyone else could do.
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According to the police statement, the armed suspects then fled on foot. Meanwhile, an off-duty officer who lived near where the crash occurred came outside with his department issued firearm after hearing the commotion.
please tell us what rule book you're pulling from that states that civilians have to stay inside after hearing a "commotion." There is nothing that says you have to call the police after hearing a crash or commotion.
If Barney Fife and his racist itchy trigger finger (as it appears to be right now) hadn't showed up and put a slug in this dude's arm I think the department would be investigating why the off-duty cop felt it necessary to do what he did.
Im going to HOPE, that this department isnt going to bother investigating themselves, as they often dont, and figure out a way to save themselves, i.e; not kill each other. I hope they will work on some kind of code for on and off duty so no one else gets shot.
please tell us what rule book you're pulling from that states that civilians have to stay inside after hearing a "commotion." There is nothing that says you have to call the police after hearing a crash or commotion.
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Quote:
Officers late Wednesday were chasing three men in a white sedan when the stolen vehicle crashed, forcing its occupants to flee and sparking a shootout with police, The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.
The off-duty cop, who lives nearby, heard the chaos erupt. He grabbed his service weapon and hurried out to help police at the scene, according to the Post-Dispatch.
Give it up. He went out there to assist. And he made it thru the ordeal nearly unscathed (though I'd still like to know if his arrival on the scene possibly hindered on-duty personnel arresting the 3rd suspect) until Barney Fife rolled up and shot him for what appears to be his skin color right now.
This story shouldn't even be in the P&OC forum. Should be in a comedy sub-forum.
Unless further info alters the narrative it's pretty clear...
A. Dude got shot cuz a cop at the scene crapped his pants and I strongly, strongly suspect it was because of the guy's skin color in front of him
B. The off-duty cop acted foolishly going out there to assist
They really are two distinct incidents. Completely unrelated if you ask me considering the info we have.
Give it up. He went out there to assist. And he made it thru the ordeal nearly unscathed (though I'd still like to know if his arrival on the scene possibly hindered on-duty personnel arresting the 3rd suspect) until Barney Fife rolled up and shot him for what appears to be his skin color right now.
This story shouldn't even be in the P&OC forum. Should be in a comedy sub-forum.
Unless further info alters the narrative it's pretty clear...
A. Dude got shot cuz a cop at the scene crapped his pants and I strongly, strongly suspect it was because of the guy's skin color in front of him
B. The off-duty cop acted foolishly going out there to assist
They really are two distinct incidents. Completely unrelated if you ask me considering the info we have.
The article I quoted said he heard the commotion and went outside. And again, if I hear a crash and commotion near my apartment I'm at least going to go check my car. This is what normal people do all the time. They don't just immediately call the police and hide under their beds. Congrats on finding an article that loosely fits your spin.
And again...tell us what law states that you have to stay inside after hearing a crash or commotion. And what law states that you have to call the police after hearing a crash or commotion?
Im going to HOPE, that this department isnt going to bother investigating themselves, as they often dont, and figure out a way to save themselves, i.e; not kill each other. I hope they will work on some kind of code for on and off duty so no one else gets shot.
You can do more research but this has obviously happened before. Google "Young v. City of Providence 2005" and 'Brown v. Gray 2000".
I think both of those cases had off-duty cops already at the scene and a crime occurring or nearby while already out in public and going to assist.
I can't remember exactly though. Been a long time since I've gone over this stuff (master's in criminal justice).
I can't recall ever hearing about a cop leaving his private residence to assist at a scene that he personally didn't witness or have any information on.
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