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I just want mu kids to go to school with well-behaving kids from families that value and foster and expect a high standard of work ethic, education, and honesty/respectful behavior.
Hmmmmmmm...where are those schools...?
They're not the ones with metal detectors and diversity officers.
Post the data, with proof. Or you're just making it up.
Believe what you want. As someone else said, stats only tell part of the story. I'm not doubting what you say is true but that doesn't mean that many low income students do well is a lie either.
I just want mu kids to go to school with well-behaving kids from families that value and foster and expect a high standard of work ethic, education, and honesty/respectful behavior.
Hmmmmmmm...where are those schools...?
Surely not in the govt-run sector. I'm paying $25K+ to send my kid to 6th grade in a school like you describe above. And as someone else mentioned, there are no metal detectors or "school resource officers" on hand either at the school.
Quite possibly true, but we all know for a fact that only low-income students receive Pell Grants.
Yes, like my husband. Whose immigrant, single mother couldn't afford to send him to the top-rated universities who sent him acceptance letters, but only offered a fraction of tuition in "need-based" scholarships.
Pell Grants, scholarships, loans. Hard work.
Now he pays FAR more in taxes than 99% of his fellow Americans. He's re-paid the cost of his Pell Grants many, many times over.
THAT'S why taxes support Pell Grants and the like. Those students get a better education than they would have otherwise, go on to get a better job than they would have otherwise, and we ALL benefit. It's in our national interest to educate these students, too, not just the ones who can afford top colleges.
Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia... all rank well down any list of school achievement. You'd be hard pressed to find a liberal school board in many such states.
Same as my part of Texas. The local schools are controlled by the same contemporary non thinking party in power as at the state level. Textbooks, too.
I had this fight 50 years ago. One of my kids ended up being her 4th grade teacher's aid due to her having done all the years work by Thanksgiving. The brass said she was an over achiever. They could not answer the question of how can a human over achieve?
But the theory was having all kinds of kids in the classroom helped the ones who were having a hard time. I asked why that duty fell to the inquisitive kids instead of the educrats. Never got an answer so we moved.
Believe what you want. As someone else said, stats only tell part of the story. I'm not doubting what you say is true but that doesn't mean that many low income students do well is a lie either.
Yes, they can do well, but at lower rates than everyone else. In the UW-Madison example I gave, there was about a 20% difference in 4-year graduation rates between Pell Grant students and the student body in general. Why spend taxpayer money to get inferior results? What sense does that make?
Yes, they can do well, but at lower rates than everyone else. In the UW-Madison example I gave, there was about a 20% difference in 4-year graduation rates between Pell Grant students and the student body in general. Why spend taxpayer money to get inferior results? What sense does that make?
Because the people who make up that 51% you cited in your UW-Madison example who do graduate within 4 years, go on to have careers in fields that typically favor the college-educated, and become full-fledged taxpayers. I'm sure plenty of others do the same after 5 and 6 years at UW-Madison.
What percentage of low-income kids would attend and graduate without Pell Grants, in your estimation?
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