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Exactly. The left was always supportive of Russia. Right up to the time they dumped Communism. Any question as to why they still embrace Cuba and Venezuela so much? Never mind that Communism has actually made life hell for the citizens of those countries.
Well, there is that little matter of us getting hauled into two different World Wars over skirmishes that started in Europe. Be nice to avoid WWIII if we could.
On the other hand, the chance of Mexico or Canada invading us are pretty slim. So if we leave Europe to their own devices, we can cut military way back. All we might need are anti-ballistic missile defense.
The United States wasn't threatened by the First World War, and Hitler only declared war against us because of our hostilities with Japan. Germany could've never conquered this country. The World Wars were wars of choice for us.
Bribing the Europeans to be nice to each other is insulting to the average American that has to listen to our politicians tell us that we're broke and there's no money for education, health care or social welfare programs. Meanwhile, there are billions laying around for NATO...an alliance that doesn't protect the United States at all?
The United States wasn't threatened by the First World War, and Hitler only declared war against us because of our hostilities with Japan. Germany could've never conquered this country. The World Wars were wars of choice for us.
Bribing the Europeans to be nice to each other is insulting to the average American that has to listen to our politicians tell us that we're broke and there's no money for education, health care or social welfare programs. Meanwhile, there are billions laying around for NATO...an alliance that doesn't protect the United States at all?
I have to agree with you 100%.
Europe got pretty much a free ride when NATO was formed. At the very least they got a big break on their own defense. Especially during the cold war when the USSR really wanted to spread to all of Europe.
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A lot of the forces in the UK are intelligence, reconnaissance and surveillance orientated, whilst even the F-35's based at Lakenheath will work alongside British based RAF F-35's based at nearby Marham.
There will also be a vast expansion of the US Base at Croughton in Northamptonshire which will amalgamate intelligence currently carried out at Molesworth and Alconbury which will close as well as taking on new intelligence and security work.
Whilst USAF Mildenhall is set to close, it was announced in May of this year that the US Base at Fairford in Gloucestershire will reopen on a full time basis, operating RC-135 Rivet Joint Intelligence Aircraft of the USAF and RAF. The US Secretary of the Air Force has approved the relocation of the 95th Reconnaissance Squadron and the 488th Intelligence Squadron to RAF Fairford and the base will receive a significant upgrade and new spending.
Other US Bases include the NSA Base at Menwith Hill whilst the Ballistic Missile Early Warning Station at Fylingdales and GCHQ base at Bude are also of strategic imprtance.
A lot of the forces in the UK are intelligence, reconnaissance and surveillance orientated, whilst even the F-35's based at Lakenheath will work alongside British based RAF F-35's based at nearby Marham.
There will also be a vast expansion of the US Base at Croughton in Northamotonshire which will amalgamate intelligence currently carried out at Molesworth and Alconbury which will close.
Whilst USAF Mildenhall is set to close, it was announced in May of this year that the US Base at Fairford in Gloucestershire will reopen on a full time basis, operating RC-135 Rivet Joint Intelligence Aircraft of the USAF and RAF.
Other US Bases include the NSA Base at Menwith Hill whilst the Ballistic Missile Early Warning Station at Fylingdales and GCHQ base at Bude are also of strategic imprtance.
A major waste of American tax dollars. We should've closed every base in the U.K. decades ago.
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A major waste of American tax dollars. We should've closed every base in the U.K. decades ago.
We are not stopping you.
It's entirely up to the US which bases it keeps open, indeed the US has now decided to close Mildenhall, Alconbury and Molesworth and to reopen Fairford whilst investing heavily in Croughton - that is your call, not ours.
As already mentioned most of these bases are Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance rather than out and out military bases, but that's your call as a nation.
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all the countries agreed to a GUIDELINE of 2% of GDP for their own military budget -- to be reached by 2024.
It is not a contract.
this is not car insurance.
"It is not a contract. "
I see you ave reading compression problem.
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The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO/ˈneɪtoʊ/; French: Organisation du Traité de l'Atlantique Nord; OTAN), also called the North Atlantic Alliance, is an intergovernmentalmilitary alliance between several North American and European states based on the North Atlantic Treaty that was signed on 4 April 1949.[4][5]"
"The combined military spending of all NATO members constitutes over 70% of the global total.[6]Members' defense spending is supposed to amount to at least 2% of GDP."
They don't pay because they don't value NATO. So why should I value it?
Damn skippy.
The Europeans don't value the alliance enough to pay for it.
And yes...I want a Europe led by Germany to go off on its own. Absolutely.
Obama was wrong. Dead wrong.
Why should we value an alliance with a partner that tells us to kick rocks?? Are you that desperate for love that's consistently unrequited?
NATO offers us ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the way of security. This nation was safe long before the creation of NATO. The Europeans drew us into their stupid wars.
We're bribing the Europeans for their friendship, and we actually have the nerve to complain about it.
Shame tactics aren't working. Why? Because NATO isn't of value to them. They have no interest in ponying up more money to help maintain American hegemony.
The Europeans see the game better than Americans do. They're smart. We're stupid.
No it isn't. You're condoning Bribery. You're telling me that Americans should be extorted for billions so that Europeans won't threaten to tear each other's heads off?
What other region of the world should Americans conduct extortion diplomacy? Africa? They'd actually appreciate the billions of dollars in exchange for not fighting each other.
So Europeans are so bloodthirsty as a group, that we Americans must bribe them not to kill each other off? Meanwhile, we should trim social spending in THIS country?
So when an American baby is born, we should stick a bill for Europe's defense in his/her incubator?
Our interests? What interests? The United States has no pressing security interests in Europe.
My question is stupid? Really?
Then you come up with THE stupidest analogy in the thread! Car insurance? SMH
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CONTRACT, GENIUS!!!
You value the alliance more than they do. They don't want to pay more money to maintain global hegemony for YOUR country!!! You don't understand that Slow Enough?
Geezus Christ!
This must be the "you're on dope or dogfood?" thread.
What security does Europe offer the United States?
You get MORE delusional every day.
I am surprised you take the time to pull your head out of the sand to post.
I am surprised you take the time to pull your head out of the sand to post.
What security does Europe offer the United States?
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