It's okay to get off the Liberal Plantation!!!! (racism, dollar, parties)

[2nd trick op]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

I automatically thought of my own family odyssey. My father is a born and raised Milwaukee native. His parents were among those African-Americans who left the South after WWII. There was no reason to stay in the South, especially in places like Mississippi.

I suspect you're from Northeast Pennsylvania. Part of me has wondered why more Blacks didn't move to that part of Pennsylvania, given the coal mining and steel mills in that area. I wonder if said African-Americans you speak of went to Pittsburgh and Philadelphia as well. Both are in PA and both are closer than Chicago is.

As for my grandparents, it wasn't just something to lose. They were sharecroppers in the South. They were in the land of Jim Crow. They were living at the very bottom. It was having something to gain. "Paternalism" keep them poor in the South. Rather than "paternalism" it was more like fear that kept some people in sharecropping. What is more interesting is this. Once cotton farming became more mechanized, those who were sharecroppers soon found themselves redundant to the land owners. People like my grandparents had no choice but to go elsewhere.

As for my father, he grew up during the 60s and early 70s. The industrial machine was going into a decline/changes around the time he finished high school. He got his college diploma(and later a masters degree). He left Milwaukee during the 1980s. He had to learn that nothing was guaranteed.

For the record, I divide my time between two communities in Eastern Pennsylvania. One (Nescopeck -- actually greater Berwick) was the one mentioned in my previous post. You've probably read enough to recognize the "don't let the sun set on you here" mentality that kept AA's out of the often-ethnically-uniform "coal patches" (and often with the aid of mountain geography). But as previously pointed out, the presence of a foundry or other very heavy industry sometimes led to segregated employment patterns -- and a well-defined place, albeit on the bottom rung of the ladder.

The free flow of capital drives all technical progress; segregation, in any form, impedes it, leads to a somewhat higher price tag on the product, and will handicap the producer (admittedly usually not that much) in global markets.

And the point remains that the mechanization of both agriculture and deep mining mandated a new (and sometimes better, though not that much at first) role for those displaced.

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

African Americans will do and vote for whoever the hell we want to and we're not taking suggestions to do otherwise at this time or any other time .

And nobody's stopping you.

Moreover, your black in-house lackeys ain't very convincing, so save it.

And quite a few among the "liberal" AA establishment have a well-defined role as a flunky in mind for you as well.

[1grin_g0]

Mr. Bob Woodson, a very wise man:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOLxAuWtAE

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by 2nd trick op

For the record, I divide my time between two communities in Eastern Pennsylvania. One (Nescopeck -- actually Greater Berwick) was the one mentioned in my previous post. You've probably read enough to recognize the "don't let the sun set on you here" mentality that kept AA's out of the often-ethnically-uniform "coal patches" (and often with the aid of mountain geography). But as previously pointed out, the presence of a foundry or other very heavy industry sometimes led to segregated employment patterns -- and a well-defined place, albeit on the bottom rung of the ladder.

The free flow of capital drives all technical progress; segregation, in any form, impedes it, leads to a somewhat higher price tag on the product, and will handicap the producer (admittedly usually not that much) in global markets.

And the point remains that the mechanization of both agriculture mandated a new (and sometimes better, though not that much at first) for those displaced.

Rural areas in the coal patches I can understand in those parts of PA. But even places like Donora,PA (Ken Griffey Jr and Stan Musial were born there), which has a similar mountainous geography has a substantial Black population. Some of West Virginia's coal patch areas in the south of the state have a large Black population. What I'm speaking of is more or less Allentown, Easton, and Scranton. Those are industrial areas not too far from New Jersey and New York state.

Heavy industry did have a level of segregation. Blacks often occupied the lowest skilled areas. It took laws and lawsuits to help Blacks get into labor unions.

This is one thing that I've figured out. There are those who have the mentality of "We can do just fine without 'those people' ". In theory, the free flow of capital and ideas provides technical progress. I can't disagree with that. However, this is what I have noticed. Many will accept the free flow of ideas, as long as it comes from a source they see fit. Some will point to Japan and South Korea and say "see, those places don't have immigrants or other ethnic minorities and they have great economies and technological achievements". Free flow of ideas and labor is a good thing. However, there are those who will look for reason to keep certain people away.

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by 2nd trick op

And quite a few among the "liberal" AA establishment have a well-defined role as a flunky in mind for you as well.

If you ain't black, then it's none of your concern. Worry about the lackeys among YOUR people. We'll worry about ours.

[McGowdog]

Originally Posted by whatsign69

Just wanted to share this. He speaks from the heart.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=jHkC6UJlIaY

Great post and welcome to City-Data forums and a big +5 rep from me.

I would like to expound on the fact that evil Democrats have exploited the votes of minorities and poor immigrants in general for hundreds of years.

Who started the Republican Party? Abraham Lincoln. The Democratic Party? In 1820, Andrew Jackson.

Jackson screwed over the Native Americans for the Democrats’ vote – Indian Removal Bill.

National Republican Senator Frelinghuysen opposed taking Indian land by violence. National Republican Congressman Davy Crockett also opposed this.

Democrats passed it, Jackson signed it into law.

Alexis de Tocqueville, the French observer of Early American History describes the air of destruction of most celebrated and ancient American Peoples a “Trail of Tears.”

Besides stealing land of the Indians, Democrats also embraced slavery on plantations.
Jackson owned hundreds of slaves. He had Betty receive 50 lashes for washing neighbors’ clothes without his permission.
Jackson, in 1804, ran an add for the return of a runaway slave, offering $50.00 for the return, and $10.00 for each 100 lashings, up to 300 lashings, essentially a death sentence.
Jackson didn’t just steal their labor. He raped young women.

Republicans formed to end slavery and to free runaway slaves.

John C. Calhoun was one of the most notorious Democratic defenders (and Senator) of slavery. He said that slavery benefited both parties.

Today, Democrats duck responsibility by trying to blame the South. But Northern Democrats tried to protect slavery. One such advocate was Illinois Senator Steven Douglass. He thought each state should decide for/against slavery. He wanted slavery all over the world, not just here.

Republicans wanted to end the spread of slavery. Republican Senator Charles Sumner (1856) denounced slavery.
Preston Brooks, Democratic Congressman, physically attacked him from behind with a cane, nearly killing him.
Lincoln considered slavery a “form of theft.”
“You work, I eat.”
Democratic Propaganda states the Civil War as being a contest between anti-Slavery North vs. the pro-Slavery South. This is a lie. The Civil War was about a war between the Abolitionists and those who wanted Slavery.
Lincoln said, “The judgment of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.”

But didn’t some Republicans own slaves? No. All the slaves at the time of the Civil War were owned by Democrats.

So, the Civil War is best known as a contest between the anti-slavery Republican Party and the Pro-Slavery Democratic Party.

Lincoln wanted to give freed slaves citizenship, equal rights, and the right to vote.
The Democrats couldn’t believe it.
Lincoln was assassinated.

Democratic Party Legacy:
Oppression
Indian Massacres
Broken Treaties
Slavery
But they claim to be the party of the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s.
But that was just an Act. There already was a Civil Rights Movement lead by the Republican Party from back in the 1860s.

The 1960s Act merely tried to claim laws that were already put into the Constitution 100 years previously by the, that’s right, Republicans.
A little known fact, more Republicans than Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Today’s Democrats take credit for Civil Rights legislation.
So what’s their contribution? They finally agreed to stop filibustering it so it could pass.

“40 Acres and a Mule”
The Republican Party set aside 400,000 acres of confiscated Confederate land and began dividing it to give freed slaves 40 acres and a left-over army mule.
Democratic President Andrew Johnson gave the land back to its former plantation owners.

Democrats claim to be the “Party of Economic Opportunity”, but they opposed the 13th Amendment.
Slavery Abolishment: Republicans were 100% for, Democrats were 77% against.
Democrats claim to be the Party of “Social Justice”, but they fought the 14th Amendment, which gives citizenship to Blacks and established equality of rights under the law.
14th Amendment: Republicans 94% for, Democrats 0% for.
Democrats lecture Republicans over Racial Equality.
Racial Equality: the Democrats voted against the 15th Amendment, refusing to give slaves the right to vote.
15th Amendment: Republicans 100% for, Democrats 100% against.
Republicans also gave women the right to vote. Suffragettes were virtually all Republican, Democrats opposed Suffragettes. They fought it and lost in Congress. Then they fought it in the States where they lost again.

Democrats New Plan: Carol Swain from Vanderbilt Law School is an expert on Race Relations and Civil Rights; After Civil War in 1865, the Democratic Party was in ruins and they needed a New Plan.
The Ku Klux Klan was founded by Nathan Bedford Forrest. He was the first Grand Wizard and a pledged delegate to the Democratic Convention.
The whole purpose of the Democratic Party was to reestablish White Supremacy.
1868, the party platform was “This is a white man’s country, let a white man rule.”
Black Republicans and White Republicans were its targets.
Congressman James Hinds was the first sitting member of Congress assassinated.
During the Klans’ long reign of terror, they killed over 3,000 blacks and over 1,000 white Republicans.
The Ku Klux Klan was the military arm of the Democratic Party.

Why has all of this been swept under the rug? To cover the tracks of the Democratic Party.

The violence of racism carried well into the 20th Century, at other times, it merely changed forms.

Ida B. Wells refused to give up her 1st Class train seat to a white man. She was a Republican, working for a Republican paper. She fought for a Black Man’s 2nd Amendment right and wanted a Winchester in their home to defend themselves against the KKK.

Early Democrats opposition to the 2nd Amendment had a racist motive. In fact, almost every thing they did had a racist motive.

Why did the KKK have a revival in the early 20th Century?
Another fan of the KKK was President Woodrow Wilson. “The Birth of a Nation” by D.W. Griffith, -the first movie screened in the White House.

In 1914, Ida B. Wells confronted Woodrow Wilson for his racist views.
She called him out for removing black officials from top jobs and putting them in menial jobs, janitors, etc.
He said segregation is good for both.
He continued to segregate the Federal Government.

1924: Democratic National Convention: “The Klan Bake”
10s of 1000s of Klansmen marched on New York City shouting racist slogans and burning crosses to celebrate the Democratic Party’s refusal to condemn the KKK in their platform.

The New Deal:
FDR didn’t have the votes to pass the New Deal program, so he promised the Democratic Party that he would block any anti-lynching legislation and he would exclude blacks from most New Deal programs.
White farmers were paid to not grow crops which meant many Blacks lost their jobs.
So most blacks, if they worked on the land, if they worked as maids, if they were paid in cash, they couldn’t get Social Security.
Johnson knew he had the Black vote, but privately, he knew the Black voters outnumbered the White voters in Texas.
Called the Negro Bill, he said, “We got to give them just enough but not enough to make a difference.”
Democrats are still trying to use Black Peoples’ vote for their own gain.

Deny, Deny, Deny, Shift Blame, Shift Blame, Shift Blame. That’s all they do.

Bill Mahr: “If you are racist, you’re probably a Republican.”

The Big Switch:
Senator Strom Thurmond was a racist Democrat who became a Republican.
But wait a minute. The Blacks switched to the Democratic Party in the 1930s, based on the promises of the New Deal.
They didn’t do it due to Race. They knew they were joining the party of the KKK and the party of segregation.
Southern Whites moved over to the Republican Party much later, during the 1970s to 90s, as the South became much more prosperous.
Racism had declined dramatically in the South. So as the South became less racist, it became more Republican.
So Blacks and Whites switched parties for economic reasons.
The proof of this is in Byron Shafer and Richard Johnson’s book, “The End of Southern Exceptionalism.” It shows the poorest, most racist Whites never switched.
The Whites that did switch from Democrats to Republicans, “were the non-racists, who were attracted to the Republican Party’s message of opportunity, prosperity, and upward mobility.”

So, besides Strom Thurmond, who else switched from Democrat to Republican?
Leaders of the KKK?
Leaders of other racist organizations?
Democratic Congressmen?
Democratic Senators from 1860-2000?
All who voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964?
14 of 1600, so less than 1%

The Big Switch is a Big Lie.

The Democrats didn’t switch from being the Bad Guys to the Good Guys, the simply found a new and better scam.

Millions of Southern Blacks moved north, joined by millions of immigrants, from all over the world. So the Democrats got an idea; Let’s recreate the plantation, but now do it in the inner city.
Obama- Dreams from my Father, “Seemed like we’d always be second-class citizens. Plantation Politics.” So evidently, Plantation talk was coming from Barack’s dad.
Black people in the worst jobs, worst housing, police brutality rampant, but when the so-called black committeemen came around election time… “We’d all line up and vote the Straight Democratic Ticket. Sell our souls for a Christmas Turkey. White folks spitting in our faces, and we’d reward them with a vote.”
So what has Obama done to get rid of the Democratic Plantation? Nothing.
That’s because he’s running it.
These plantations weren’t just for Blacks, they were also for other minorities and immigrants.
When these groups arrived, they found waiting for them a Democratic Welcoming Committee.
They helped them out, got them a place to live, got them jobs.
The immigrant plantation had their own names; ghettoes, slums, barrios.
Welcome to America!
The Democrats built them, put these vulnerable people in them, and made sure no one left them.
Nothing’s free. They made sure these folks voted for them.

Gangs have bosses who control them. The Democrats invented the “Big City” Boss.
They didn’t just control politics, they also controlled industry, Unions.
Once in power, they steal the city treasury and shake-down businesses.
This makes them the “Original Community Organizers.”
Inner City racket.
Research Richard J. Daley
Johah Goldberg is an editor at the National Review. “Democrats used to like to be called Liberals.”
Today, it’s Progressive. What does Progressive mean? Social engineering, social control.
U.S. : Progressivism
USSR: Communism
Italy: Fascism

The Holocaust started off as progressive ideas, experimentation, planning, eugenics.

[1grin_g0]

Originally Posted by McGowdog

The Big Switch is a Big Lie.

That's true. You need to look no further than JFK, who voted against civil rights. The when he ran for POTUS in 1960, he needed the black vote so he flip-flopped.

[McGowdog]

Originally Posted by 1grin_g0

That's true. You need to look no further than JFK, who voted against civil rights. The when he ran for POTUS in 1960, he needed the black vote so he flip-flopped.

Srsly? When I was a little kid and my parents told me about him, he was the 2nd Coming of Christ.

As I got older, his street cred started to rise. Now Ted, otoh, has an 8 year sobriety birthday coming up in August. I'm planning to party sober till I puke in his honor.

[maf763]

McGowdog, how do you feel about the Republicans being the Big Government party that greatly expanded the federal government's reach at the expense of states rights?

[juppiter]

The Democrats offer black voters welfare. The Republicans don't offer them much of anything.

We all have to do better than that. Both parties do.

[gladhands]

No one who uses the phrases "Liberal Plantation" or "Democratic Plantation" has the slightest bit of respect for Black people. There are two implications; the first is that Black people simply smart enough to know what's good for them. The other is that black people are takers, and simply vote for handouts. Both are extremely racist. It's unfortunate that some black people have internalized this anti-black racism.