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Old 07-17-2017, 09:14 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Where are they going to get the votes to do so??
Who knows, but that's the plan of action. They might not get Collins but they will get Paul.
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:18 PM
 
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"Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Monday night called for a vote on a bill to repeal Obamacare without an immediate replacement after the latest Republican effort to overhaul the U.S. health-care system failed..."

The audacity! Thoughts?

Mitch McConnell calls for a vote on full Obamacare repeal after replacement plan falters
It's a good idea. You realize Obamacare will fail, don't you? Instead of a messy prolonged death, let's put this miserable legislation to the sword and get it over with.
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Enough already. New healthcare plan: 100 percent government funded healthcare. But the only way to get it is with a healthcare card. Anyone working, volunteering, or otherwise helping society gets a card. If you sit around doing nothing or commit a crime then we take away your card.
The US people are the fTtest people in the developed world. 75% of us are overweight- obease. As such we are more vulnerable to all sorts of nasty stuff. No surprise that healthcare costs more in the US.

I would increase criteria to include a simple waist measurement. Those with waist sizes in the healthy range get the card. Those with waist sizes that exceed the healthy range pay through the nose.

Give people 2 years +/- to lose the lbs or accept the consequences.

I would make this a condition of all public insurance including but not limited to Medicare, Medicaid, VA and so on. Makes no sense to subsidize anyone who is unwilling to do their share in controlling their healthcare risks.
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:20 PM
 
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The same can be said about the Dems.
I would argue if we had clear thinking, practical and ethical people who were pretty much middle of the road we would be a whole lot better off. I hope when it comes to healthcare that the majority of people have finally come to feel that it is not okay to have a system where many people have no way to get health insurance. This is how it was in the old system. Obamacare has faults that need to be fixed. This Senate bill was garbage.
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Gee, it's not like tonight's events were newsworthy or anything, certainly not enough to be able to have a new thread on it rather than combine into something with a completely unrelated topic title. Wouldn't want to see the GOP look bad, after all!
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Well, hey--people will think twice about having kids. If they happen to have asthma or something even more serious early on--they're gonna cost a whole lot of money to raise. So it won't be bad enough having to worry about your kid being sick--you'll have to figure out how you pay for it, too.

Maybe companies will make people spell out any pre-existing conditions for themselves and their families on their job applications.

This country's for-profit healthcare and pharmaceutical industry is not a 'free market' in any sense of the definition. It is lunacy.
There is no " free market" healthcare anywhere. The likelihood the third most populous country in the world could pull off " free market" anything, let alone healthcare, seems a tad unrealistic.
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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yeah, this looks about right

http://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/887148196971118593
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Supply and demand. Doctors and hospitals are going to keep increasing costs until demand starts to fall off. And that's never going to happen as long as the government keeps promising to cover the bills.

It's the same reason that the cost of college tuition keeps going up ever year. Because the government just keeps handing out more and more cash in the form of student loans.
Never going to happen so long as 75% of us are fat.

If one could wave a wand and right size the US population, Diabetes 2 could become rare instead of an epidemic. Heart disease would substantially decline. Some Cancers would decline. Joint. Deterioration and replacement would decline. The list goes on and on.
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:47 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Never going to happen so long as 75% of us are fat.

If one could wave a wand and right size the US population, Diabetes 2 could become rare instead of an epidemic. Heart disease would substantially decline. Some Cancers would decline. Joint. Deterioration and replacement would decline. The list goes on and on.
Well, it looks like that bill is going to be defeated anyway. Agreed that somebody needs to educate the American populace about how to eat and stay healthy. If we go to single payer I'd like that to be accompanied by educational ads on tv and in the media regarding healthy lifestyle. I don't mind helping someone with type 1 diabetes, the kind you are born with, but it's gets "iffy" when type 2 becomes an epidemic, caused in many cases by poor eating habits and being overweight. Same with the joint replacements, there are way more than there should be.
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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[Fe]Yeah, I know, that's why single-payer doesn't work anywhere in the world. That's also why General Dynamics is such a weenie company.[/Fe]
No two countries do Universal Healthcare the same way. Some are Single Payer. Some rely entirely on private insurance. Most are a mixed bag as is the US.

The majority of the population of those relatively few countries that are Single Payer are generally supportive of their healthcare systems, despite anecdotal stories.
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