Net Neutrality should not be a political issue (racist, rant, important)

[zzzSnorlax]

Originally Posted by Roadking2003

Your ignorance is appalling. Try reading a little about this issue.

Here is a good place to start;

FCC Head Ajit Pai: Killing Net Neutrality Will Set the Internet Free - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Thanks but I can read the law itself, I don't need some telcom shill to parse it for me and tell me what it means second hand.

[Grizzmeister]

In a fascist country you're not allowed to question the actions of the government.

FCC head Ajit Pai goes after Hollywood, tech companies

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." - Italian dictator Benito Mussolini

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by Roadking2003

By 2020 it will be clear that killing Net Neutrality was a great move for the American people. Killing Net Neutrality will bring us innovation, lower costs for consumers and more investment in these products.

Here is the type of innovations you can expect:

MADISON RIVER: In 2005, North Carolina ISP Madison River Communications blocked the voice-over-internet protocol (VOIP) service Vonage. Vonage filed a complaint with the FCC after receiving a slew of customer complaints. The FCC stepped in to sanction Madison River and prevent further blocking, but it lacks the authority to stop this kind of abuse today.


AT&T: From 2007–2009, AT&T forced Apple to block Skype and other competing VOIP phone services on the iPhone. The wireless provider wanted to prevent iPhone users from using any application that would allow them to make calls on such “over-the-top” voice services. The Google Voice app received similar treatment from carriers like AT&T when it came on the scene in 2009.

AT&T, SPRINT and VERIZON: From 2011–2013, AT&T, Sprint and Verizon blocked Google Wallet, a mobile-payment system that competed with a similar service called Isis, which all three companies had a stake in developing.

AT&T: In 2012, AT&T announced that it would disable the FaceTime video-calling app on its customers’ iPhones unless they subscribed to a more expensive text-and-voice plan. AT&T had one goal in mind: separating customers from more of their money by blocking alternatives to AT&T’s own products.

More here: https://www.freepress.net/blog/2017/...-brief-history


These types of things are exactly what net neutrality prevents from happening.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by Grizzmeister

Twitter and others warn FCC of disaster if net neutrality is reversed

Ir should be noted that the majority of technology companies that support this are the ISP's. You can ask almost anybody or any business involved in technology what they think about this and if it isn't an ISP they are going to tell you it's a a very bad idea.

[BentBow]

NN... A license to censor.

[PullMyFinger]

Originally Posted by MassTerp94

A free and open internet should be as basic a right as clean water. Maybe conservatives will support net neutrality when Breitbart and Infowars take longer to load than CNN and NBC.

Did God make the internet for all like he did air and water? For profit business built the internet. Why do you think you have a say in how it’s run?

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by BentBow

NN... A license to censor.

The internet has been operated for the most part under the NN principle for the last 20+ years. Can you provide one example of censorship?

On the other hand without NN the ISP becomes the gatekeeper and they could certainly censor what you are viewing and the services you are using.

[evilcart]

Originally Posted by Roadking2003

By 2020 it will be clear that killing Net Neutrality was a great move for the American people. Killing Net Neutrality will bring us innovation, lower costs for consumers and more investment in these products.

You are just butt hurt over Trump reversing Obama's Big Government programs.

Rubbish.
Comcast did not innovate for decades until they were forced by Netflix Tivo and OTT services. why do you think your Comcast cable box weighed nothing and is the size of a buick? why are they charging an average of 150 USD a year for tech that costs about 35 bucks a pop to just buy?
Why? because Comcast and others only "innovate" when they have no choice.



But here is the thing Roadking. Back out your made up wishful "Innovation" BS and take a real look at the industry.

we have seen ISP speeds endlessly improve, down time has vanished and prices are not going up and even declining in some markets.

we have seen Cell tech go to extremes, with 5G rolling out many years faster than anyone was predicting.

We have watched as thousands of tech companies have "Innovated" across all markets to take advantage of the open and fair internet.
Look at Chromecast, an excellent idea. that sends a request from you mobile device to stream content from a server to any registered chromecast device. It removes the phone from the task.

Look at sling, Vue, DirectTV and a bunch of other Over The Top cable TV service providers. They sell full TV services streamed directly to your TV or mobile device without contracts for a much lower price than Comcast. They offer cloud based DVR and Tivo like features
These services are highly innovative and the investments HAPPENED WITH NN in place and coming into place.


A La carte TV will likely vanish if Pai has his way. Sony will be forced to deal with dozens of ISP providers with each one charging different rates. Frontier might charge Sony per T, Comcast by speed, V by location.
Tell me how requiring the "innovators" to negotiate deals with dozens of providers is going to make it "better " for consumers ? PLease explain it to dumb old me.
Tell me how Sony will be able to sell its VUE service at 30 different rates ? what would that advert look like?

Nope what will happen is Comcast will drop its Over the top service price to the bare min, while charging the max to competitors (and themselves) to avail of their "premium" delivery service. Playstation will have a competitive disadvantage so bad they will end up being driven out of the market.



and as to "butthurt" act like an adult and form an argument , net neutrality is hardly a big gov program, it is a regulation.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by PullMyFinger

Did God make the internet for all like he did air and water?

There is nothing preventing an ISP from providing you with different tiers of service at different rates under NN.

Going back to my water company example yet again if they were operating under "water neutrality" they can charge based on the pressure. They can charge you for the volume. They can charge you based on the two. They can charge different rates for different volumes and pressures. None of this breaks the net neutrality principle.

What would break it is if they charged you based on what you were using it for.

[evilcart]

Originally Posted by PullMyFinger

Did God make the internet for all like he did air and water? For profit business built the internet. Why do you think you have a say in how it’s run?

nobody is really talking about the "internet" Pullmyfinger, they are talking about the gatekeepers.

And the gatekeepers are the ISPs and THOSE ISPs were granted license to run cable, to use our airwaves, and given MONOPOLY markets protected by state and federal regulations on the expectation and requirement of acting in the public interest.


check out those last two words Pull, "public interest".

You understand what that means? It means those publicly owned airwaves, that cable hanging from poles and running underground are on easements granted by the government with the public interest in mind.

Somewhere along the way both the public and government seem to have forgotten who owns that land,those airwaves. We the public OWN them.

For some reason PAI seems to pushed that aside in his zeal to enrich his masters. Just like sewerage, just like water, just like gas or electricity it is supposed to be about improving the lives of the public FIRST profit second. and preferably both. don't get yourself confused what you are seeing is a power grab by corps to steal control away from the public.