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Old 07-19-2017, 10:53 AM
 
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The finest breed: UI vet fixes Thai dog's heart

Back home in Thailand, Nana was barking on borrowed time.

Now, after traveling thousands of miles to Urbana and undergoing surgery to correct a congenital defect in her heart, the 3-year-old Chihuahua has a new chance to live a normal lifetime, her veterinarians at the University of Illinois said.

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Nana was already beating the odds with a congenital heart defect called patent ductus arteriosus. Without surgery, the condition typically results in heart failure in a dog's first year of life, according to the UI.

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Nana's owner paid for part of the heart procedure, and the rest was covered by donations, Vitt said. The dog's owner was "very worried" about his dog making the trip to the U.S. for surgery without him, but he was unable to afford the trip and still cover part of the surgery cost, Vitt said.


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Charlie Gard: US doctor meets with UK specialists treating terminally ill boy

The U.S. doctor who has offered to treat terminally ill Charlie Gard has attended a meeting at Great Ormond Street Hospital (GOSH) to decide whether the baby should travel to America for therapy.

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After that, the UK High court will listen to the doctor and decide again whether he should be allowed to travel to the U.S. for treatment.

Hirano, believes that the chance of treatment being successful are between 11 to 56 percent and he hopes to improve muscular strength.

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The parents should be allowed to take their kid for care wherever they want and arrange the financial details themselves without government or court approval.

Even if you believe there is no hope - research can be gained for future babies with this problem.
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Old 07-19-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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thats what you get when you have government run health care.
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Old 07-19-2017, 12:32 PM
 
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The finest breed: UI vet fixes Thai dog's heart

Back home in Thailand, Nana was barking on borrowed time.

Now, after traveling thousands of miles to Urbana and undergoing surgery to correct a congenital defect in her heart, the 3-year-old Chihuahua has a new chance to live a normal lifetime, her veterinarians at the University of Illinois said.

...
Nana was already beating the odds with a congenital heart defect called patent ductus arteriosus. Without surgery, the condition typically results in heart failure in a dog's first year of life, according to the UI.

...
Nana's owner paid for part of the heart procedure, and the rest was covered by donations, Vitt said. The dog's owner was "very worried" about his dog making the trip to the U.S. for surgery without him, but he was unable to afford the trip and still cover part of the surgery cost, Vitt said.


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Charlie Gard: US doctor meets with UK specialists treating terminally ill boy

The U.S. doctor who has offered to treat terminally ill Charlie Gard has attended a meeting at Great Ormond Street Hospital (GOSH) to decide whether the baby should travel to America for therapy.

...
After that, the UK High court will listen to the doctor and decide again whether he should be allowed to travel to the U.S. for treatment.

Hirano, believes that the chance of treatment being successful are between 11 to 56 percent and he hopes to improve muscular strength.

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What's wrong with this picture?

The parents should be allowed to take their kid for care wherever they want and arrange the financial details themselves without government or court approval.

Even if you believe there is no hope - research can be gained for future babies with this problem.
The dog's procedure fixed the problem.

The baby's procedure has a low chance of improving muscular strength, but it won't fix the problem. There is no fix to the problem. The baby won't get better. And the baby will likely suffer more pain. Is research for an extremely rare condition worth putting this baby through more suffering?
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Old 07-19-2017, 12:32 PM
 
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We can and do fix childrens heart conditions, my niece has had 4 surgeries to fix a congenital heart problem. What Charlie has is not a heart condition. There is no fixing the brain damage that he already has. He can not move, see, hear, eat, or even breathe on his own due to the brain damage.
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Old 07-19-2017, 12:36 PM
 
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thats what you get when you have government run health care.
The NHS decision was made on the basis of medical ethics, not cost. Ethical decisions are made by all healthcare systems around the world, regardless of whether they are government run or not. Two separate issues.
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Old 07-19-2017, 12:39 PM
 
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thats what you get when you have government run health care.
When you dont have health insurance here you learn you are terminal when you collapse because you cannot afford to go to the doc when its just a weird feeling.
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Old 07-19-2017, 12:53 PM
 
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We also put animals down when they are suffering and can not be helped because we don't want them to be in pain if their condition is not going to improve. Seems like that is the better analogy here.
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Old 07-19-2017, 08:47 PM
 
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Good news for baby Gard. I really hope he gets a miracle. If not, at least his parents will know they exhausted every option so won't feel guilty.
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Old 07-19-2017, 08:52 PM
 
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The finest breed: UI vet fixes Thai dog's heart

Back home in Thailand, Nana was barking on borrowed time.

Now, after traveling thousands of miles to Urbana and undergoing surgery to correct a congenital defect in her heart, the 3-year-old Chihuahua has a new chance to live a normal lifetime, her veterinarians at the University of Illinois said.

...
Nana was already beating the odds with a congenital heart defect called patent ductus arteriosus. Without surgery, the condition typically results in heart failure in a dog's first year of life, according to the UI.

...
Nana's owner paid for part of the heart procedure, and the rest was covered by donations, Vitt said. The dog's owner was "very worried" about his dog making the trip to the U.S. for surgery without him, but he was unable to afford the trip and still cover part of the surgery cost, Vitt said.


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Charlie Gard: US doctor meets with UK specialists treating terminally ill boy

The U.S. doctor who has offered to treat terminally ill Charlie Gard has attended a meeting at Great Ormond Street Hospital (GOSH) to decide whether the baby should travel to America for therapy.

...
After that, the UK High court will listen to the doctor and decide again whether he should be allowed to travel to the U.S. for treatment.

Hirano, believes that the chance of treatment being successful are between 11 to 56 percent and he hopes to improve muscular strength.

-----------------------------

What's wrong with this picture?

The parents should be allowed to take their kid for care wherever they want and arrange the financial details themselves without government or court approval.

Even if you believe there is no hope - research can be gained for future babies with this problem.
I agree that asserting that the parents would be committing child abuse were they to take him elsewhere goes a bit far.

But your comparison to the dog is misleading. Fixing a hole in a heart is as routine as heart surgery gets, how to do it has been known for decades. Whereas absolutely no one knows how to fix that poor baby. Not even Hirano.
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Old 07-19-2017, 08:54 PM
 
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The US doctor says that his untested experimental treatment has a slim chance of extending Gard's life but no chance of improvement or recovery. The child will remain unresponsive and the treatment may cause pain.
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