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Old 07-20-2017, 07:17 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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I guess I just have a higher opinion of the human race.

 
Old 07-20-2017, 07:23 PM
 
Location: USA
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Bernie is pretty close to it. He might be old, but he's the FDR of our time. Given that I think he's even more progressive than most of the Democratic caucus with a few exceptions... he's basically the FDR of the Dems.
Did he win?
 
Old 07-20-2017, 07:29 PM
 
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To summarize, true freedom and liberty comes from having subjects who are beholden to the state for every aspect of their subsistence.
Everyone is dependent on either the state or their employer for every aspect of their subsistence.

The only people who have "freedom and liberty" are the wealthy, who have managed to control the fruits of someone else's labor. For one person to become more free, someone else has to become less free. Freedom is a zero sum game; there is only so much "free time" to go around. Simple physics.
 
Old 07-20-2017, 07:33 PM
 
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I guess I just have a higher opinion of the human race.
Your opinion of the human race is not based on actual reality. When you believe in something that isn't backed up by the facts, that's called being delusional.
 
Old 07-20-2017, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Former land of plenty
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Your opinion of the human race is not based on actual reality. When you believe in something that isn't backed up by the facts, that's called being delusional.
Tell me of a race of beings that is better.
 
Old 07-20-2017, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Yep.

Similar thoughts to what I said here: //www.city-data.com/forum/48878769-post52.html
That was f*cking outstanding. Wow. 97% of what I read on c-d just motivates me to mock and marginalize but that was really good.

The 3rd section about the tech bomb was on point. I'm deep into its creation and yet I'm really ambivalent about the whole thing. I get a huge rush out of the intellectual challenge of it. I love knowing how these incredibly complex beasts work but I don't care at all about using them. I don't geek out on who's doing what in the industry or what the latest gadget is and when it's going to be out. I don't care. I guess I am about as much of a geek as there is but I use an iPhone 4 with a cracked case. I just don't care about the doo-dads. When I finally come home I do nothing having anything to do with computers. The day I retire is the last day I'll ever care about how a microprocessor works. I have plenty of other things I like to do. There is not a doubt in my mind that connectivity and the virtual world has been at least as bad for mankind as it has been a force for good.
 
Old 07-20-2017, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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Everyone is dependent on either the state or their employer for every aspect of their subsistence.

The only people who have "freedom and liberty" are the wealthy, who have managed to control the fruits of someone else's labor. For one person to become more free, someone else has to become less free. Freedom is a zero sum game; there is only so much "free time" to go around. Simple physics.
I have no idea why you're equating "free time" with "liberty" as if they're one and the same.
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We seem to have people who think liberty and sovereignty (and a bohemian science / art renaissance) can result from having any needs taken care of by a central authority.

Is my ex-GF's indoor cat free? I say no. I say the cat is a PET. Allowed an illusion of freedom within a confining demi-reality while having all of its needs and some comforts taken care of.

Like I said in post post # 27 of this thread:
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If our cities do become places of zero privacy, zero private property, zero work -- if some of the predictions in this little piece come true -- I will certainly want to be one of those living in one of the little self-supplying communities, no question.
 
Old 07-20-2017, 08:15 PM
 
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Your opinion of the human race is not based on actual reality. When you believe in something that isn't backed up by the facts, that's called being delusional.
It could never be based on different experiences and observations. You are apparently an absolutist who recognizes no truth but your own. Good for you.
 
Old 07-20-2017, 08:22 PM
 
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I have no idea why you're equating "free time" with "liberty" as if they're one and the same.
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We seem to have people who think liberty and sovereignty (and a bohemian science / art renaissance) can result from having any needs taken care of by a central authority.

Is my ex-GF's indoor cat free? I say no. I say the cat is a PET. Allowed an illusion of freedom within a confining demi-reality while having all of its needs and some comforts taken care of.

Like I said in post post # 27 of this thread:
To me, freedoms means doing what I want to do, when I want to do it (as long as it doesn't hurt anyone).

I am certainly not free. I have the following "choice": I can either work and make someone else wealthy in the process, or I can become homeless and possibly starve. That's not freedom, that's slavery.
 
Old 07-20-2017, 08:24 PM
 
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To me, freedoms means doing what I want to do, when I want to do it (as long as it doesn't hurt anyone).

I am certainly not free. I have the following "choice": I can either work and make someone else wealthy in the process, or I can become homeless and possibly starve. That's not freedom, that's slavery.
Slaves were not compensated, nor offered your choice.
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